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If people who work for the government cant find a way around the law, i cant believe that you can.
That's funny. Two thirds of the people who "work" for the government can't even tie their shoes.
That You can't believe it isn't surprising. Like so many government employees, you put too much faith in what you read and if you haven't read it, it isn't true. That's what makes a good worker-bee, so you've been trained well.
There's a huge difference between "getting around the law" and understanding how the law works so you don't have to "get around" it.
A person whp pays a bonding company to post a surety bond of 20 grand or more isn't going to spill every secret they know. If he had to pay an RI as much as he did for making a vehicle compliant, why should he make it any easier for people who take food off his plate. Ever hear the expression "Does Macys Tell Gimbles?" ? I doubt it, you're too young.
If you believe that a vehicle NOT on the list can NOT be imported, Either you don't understand the process or how the system works (not atypical of a government employee), or you haven't learned to read between the lines, or, read at all.
It seems so rediculous that these trucks bring what they do, but when you consider an NAS110, now going on 15 years old and powered by a miserably inefficient V8 will bring what it does. I've had one for years and work on them EVERY DAY. I love mine, but that doesn't make it a good truck, In fact, mine, and all the rest, are generally a piece of crap. Would I trade it for one 4 years newer with a Tdi ? In a heartbeat. If there weren't only 535 out there, they wouldn't bring stupid prices, so it only makes sense that the numbers of those brought in by private enterprise are going to command even more. If I laid out what it takes to get them through the process laid out by the NHTSA(not NTHSA, Jeesh you work for the government and can't remember the agency name?) (oh yeah, what's an ICI? Did you mean RI?) I would tell you.
I don't know Golden747 or Global from adam, but I do know one of the oldest and biggest RIs, here in CT, and see what they do to make their money, and what the bring in.
Lastly, until you have some proof you're willing to share with the group, stop calling people liars. Your newbie enthusiam for the trucks is great, but your willingness to spout off your lack of intelligence isn't very flattering.
no. i can bring in 1995 tdi discos but they are hard to find. and if i find one it cost me 2500 to get it back to the us and anywhere between 3000 to 10000 to get it through dot and epa customs. im in germany now and im having the hardest time finding good cars to bring back. the worst part right now is the exchange rate from euro to us its $1.00 equals.67euro!!!!! panamadisco was right, you can buy a new -07 defender110 for 45000 to 48000 euro, but thats around 70000 to 75000 us dollars and thats before you ship it or try to run it through customs which you couldnt get it through anyway and if you could you would have to spend around 14000 to 17000 to get it to pass epa and dot.
Thought I'd ask anyway. The 4.6l is a good engine, but the thought of a tuned TD5 is appealing. Maybe when I hit the MegaMillion you can get a hold of a nice 110 for me. Good luck with the business. I'm glad someone found a way to bring Defenders into the US. You deserve a
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Ok, let me start by apologizing. If I offended anyone by my comments I apologize. I don’t remember openly calling anyone a liar, only that the info posted was untrue according to the info I have seen.
I referred to ICI’s because that is what the EPA calls them:
August 10, 2007
The following is a list of Independent Commercial Importers (ICIs) who hold currently valid certificate of conformity from EPA as of the date of this list. This certificate allows the ICI to import certain nonconforming vehicles into the United States until December 31, 2007. THE MAKES OR MODELS THAT AN ICI CAN IMPORT ARE LIMITED. You should contact the ICI to determine if he/she is qualified to import your particular
vehicle.
Read both links and tell me how there is a way around the law.
Switch VIN’s? Illegal
As to your comments Mr TerryS:
“That's funny. Two thirds of the people who "work" for the government can't even tie their shoes.
That You can't believe it isn't surprising. Like so many government employees, you put too much faith in what you read and if you haven't read it, it isn't true. That's what makes a good worker-bee, so you've been trained well. (I am going to assume that your comment was a personal slam so Fuck You too.)
There's a huge difference between "getting around the law" and understanding how the law works so you don't have to "get around" it.
Sorry, I always assumed the law was black and white, guess not since you must be an expert.
A person whp (you cant spell either, guess that makes up for my misspelling of the NHTSA) pays a bonding company to post a surety bond of 20 grand or more isn't going to spill every secret they know. If he had to pay an RI as much as he did for making a vehicle compliant, why should he make it any easier for people who take food off his plate. Ever hear the expression "Does Macys Tell Gimbles?" ? I doubt it, you're too young. (oo, I’m young, so what. Im older than some people just like you.)If you believe that a vehicle NOT on the list can NOT be imported, Either you don't understand the process or how the system works (not atypical of a government employee), or you haven't learned to read between the lines, or, read at all.(that almost sounds like a personal attack)
It seems so rediculous (there’s that spelling again) that these trucks bring what they do, but when you consider an NAS110, now going on 15 years old and powered by a miserably inefficient V8 will bring what it does. I've had one for years and work on them EVERY DAY. I love mine, but that doesn't make it a good truck, In fact, mine, and all the rest, are generally a piece of crap. Would I trade it for one 4 years newer with a Tdi ? In a heartbeat. If there weren't only 535 out there, they wouldn't bring stupid prices, so it only makes sense that the numbers of those brought in by private enterprise are going to command even more (not really, the reason a NAS 110 gets its price is because they are “collectors” items, just like the NAS 90’s). If I laid out what it takes to get them through the process laid out by the NHTSA(not NTHSA, Jeesh you work for the government and can't remember the agency name?) (oh yeah, what's an ICI? Did you mean RI?) I would tell you.
I don't know Golden747 or Global from adam, but I do know one of the oldest and biggest RIs, here in CT, and see what they do to make their money, and what the bring in.
Lastly, until you have some proof you're willing to share with the group, stop calling people liars (when did I do that? Before you go putting words in my mouth please get YOUR facts straight, I only said I didn’t believe him). Your newbie enthusiam (spelling again) for the trucks is great, but your willingness to spout off your lack of intelligence isn't very flattering. (was the “newbie” thing supposed to be a slam? Weak.)
My point is this. If the federal government has laws governing what can and can not enter this country legally and there are vehicles that are not on the list then that means that something illegal is going on.
I don’t care if some dude out there who can drop $70K on a truck and not bat an eye gets his truck confiscated and crushed, it’s the poor sap who thinks he is getting something that is legal and ends up with nothing but a butt load of problems.
If this guy can do it legally, why aren’t there lots of other D110’s here? If there was some sort of grandfather clause why didn’t other importers bring them in?
Excuse my “enthusiasm” for this subject but to me it all smells of Bull Shit until someone can PROVE me wrong.
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are you a jealous RI? if so,i dont know what to tell you. my cars are 100% legal and the 1997 and 1999's that i have are the last of those years that we were able to bring into the country. these cars have been in the US since 2006. you have to understand the laws before you can read the laws
are you a jealous RI? if so,i dont know what to tell you. my cars are 100% legal and the 1997 and 1999's that i have are the last of those years that we were able to bring into the country. these cars have been in the US since 2006. you have to understand the laws before you can read the laws
Nope, not an RI. Just a consumer.
Oddly enough when i lived in Africa i was going to buy and have a 110 brought home with me. All the ICI's I contacted told me they wouldnt touch anything other than a 93 and that it would cost me around $50k. I got their info from the EPA's website. This was in 2002, and no, i dont remember who it was that i contacted but i contacted several.
Possibly there was a time frame when they could have been imported legaly, most likely before the laws were changed. If the vehicles have been in the US before 01, possibly. I didnt look into the laws until after that.
"you have to understand the laws before you can read the laws"
How the hell are you supposed to understand the law if you dont read it, your coment makes no sense to me.
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Please tell me how you do it, because i dont believe you.
Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.
Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.
I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.
Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.
Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.
I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.
Alright, it seems I am getting all red in the face over nothing seeing as it doesn’t, and wont affect me.
The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.
I’m not saying that it is, there could possibly be a legitimate way to do it, but I cant see a reason to be secretive about it. There are only 2 reasons for secrets, one is for national security and the other is to cover up bad stuff. And D110’s are not a subject of national security….
Now, I know that laws can be “bent” and that there are “ways around” anything. That doesn’t mean that some EPA Nazi wont come and confiscate it. What happens when every state goes to the same clean air requirements for vehicles that California has? It doesn’t look like its too far away. Will this mean that the vehicles will not be able to pass the emissions tests? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t gable $20K, let alone $70K on it.
If the way these vehicles were brought in is legit, than there is NO reason why we cant be told how.
O, and Golden I am glad that I could be your comic relief for the day.
Just remember, what comes around goes around. Karma is a bitch
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Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.
Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.
I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.
Alright, it seems I am getting all red in the face over nothing seeing as it doesn’t, and wont affect me.
The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.
I’m not saying that it is, there could possibly be a legitimate way to do it, but I cant see a reason to be secretive about it. There are only 2 reasons for secrets, one is for national security and the other is to cover up bad stuff. And D110’s are not a subject of national security….
Now, I know that laws can be “bent” and that there are “ways around” anything. That doesn’t mean that some EPA Nazi wont come and confiscate it. What happens when every state goes to the same clean air requirements for vehicles that California has? It doesn’t look like its too far away. Will this mean that the vehicles will not be able to pass the emissions tests? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t gamble $20K, let alone $70K on it.
If the way these vehicles were brought in is legit, than there is NO reason why we cant be told how.
O, and Golden I am glad that I could be your comic relief for the day.
Just remember, what comes around goes around. Karma is a bitch
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The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.
I can't argue with your logic, and ordinarily, had I not had the fond (sic) experience of dealing with this issue for as long as I did (they weren't cars, but they sure as hell were national security issues) I would be as circumspec as you. I can say that sellers are extremely guarded about their relationship with Registered Importers. First off, The RI will take anybody's money to do what they do, but any seller who drops as much as they do with an RI, whether rightly, or otherwise, feels he is the one who paid for the RI to gain that experience. Secondly, and more basic, they simply don't want the competiton. This reason is fairly limp to me, since they know better than anyone else, what a PITA the process is, and frankly, If I had that kind of cash to throw at a toy, I'd rather pay for a delivered product, and not the timeconsuming and tredious process of doing it on my own.
I don not understand why you were directed to the EPA for inquiring about importing, since the catagory of vehicle would have fallen under the responsibility of NHTSA, and one of their approved RIs. The RI acts as the 'prime' and deals with DOT, EPA, and finally gets their blessing from NHTSA. It sounds to me like you were sent to somone in the middle of the chain, and I understand why they gave you the answer they did.
The RI doesn't have the benefit of "developing a relationship", like taking some dude out for lunch and golf, and expecting favorable treatment. The final submital goes directly to NHTSA and you eventually get a reply.
I was licensed by State (OMC) and all my stuff, coming and going, were large scale componants. I had to have my own $10m bond, received between 2 and 3 40' containers weekly (what didn't come by air) and genuinely believed the paperwork exceeded the product in mass, effort and sometimes value. In total, all I can say is that it exceeded several thousand tons. (not the paperwork, the product)
im not going to tell you how its done because i'm in business like everyone else in the world,to make money. the less people that know how its done, the better it is for me. like i said, if you want to buy one i'll sell you one. it is 100% legal. if you look at my website you will realize ive been in business for a long time and i assure you i know that they are legal.
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Just curious - will you guarantee that one of these D110s could be legally registered and titled in my state (NJ)? By this I mean full refund on the purchase price if the process cannot complete because of legal or related issues?
I can see some responsibility on the Buyer's end to maybe do some work to pass emissions (within reason) as those standards vary by state. But there would need to be some form of guarantee that I could get it that far (get it titled in my state, registered, insured, etc...) without issue.
My son stumbled upon a Defender 90 listed on Craigslist San Francisco, @ $5,000. When he mentioned the price I had to take a look.
I know little about cars and less about Defenders but from the pics and description something seems strange. The poster has not returned my email of yesterday.
Can one of you 'experts' take a quick look and put me out of my misery? The parts alone are worth more than that right?
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There are a bunch of scams being run on Craigslist lately, like the 2001 HSE Range Rover in the Boston Craigs list for $3500. Funny, the listing said private seller, but the pics were of one on a dealers lot in FL.
I know someone who has some legally registered Defenders from non-imported years. He bought parts from so many suppliers, whatever was required by the law in the state he lived in, and put them together titled as kit cars.
Here is a pic of one of them.
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Just to put it to bed so to speak. Called and sent an email in the hopes I could see the truck, haven't rec'd a response and the ad was pulled off Craigslist.
So you know we have rebuilt 1983 land rover 110's onto new galvanised chassis for american clients, the latest one we did was to full 2006 spec Td5 and it cost the client $93,000 including shipping. This vehicle was effectivly new.
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