Gray Market 110 Defender on Ebay

[msggunny]

Originally Posted by Golden747

are you a jealous RI? if so,i dont know what to tell you. my cars are 100% legal and the 1997 and 1999's that i have are the last of those years that we were able to bring into the country. these cars have been in the US since 2006. you have to understand the laws before you can read the laws

Nope, not an RI. Just a consumer.

Oddly enough when i lived in Africa i was going to buy and have a 110 brought home with me. All the ICI's I contacted told me they wouldnt touch anything other than a 93 and that it would cost me around $50k. I got their info from the EPA's website. This was in 2002, and no, i dont remember who it was that i contacted but i contacted several.

Possibly there was a time frame when they could have been imported legaly, most likely before the laws were changed. If the vehicles have been in the US before 01, possibly. I didnt look into the laws until after that.

"you have to understand the laws before you can read the laws"
How the hell are you supposed to understand the law if you dont read it, your coment makes no sense to me.

[Golden747]

i love you. you're so funny. if you still want a d110 i can sell you one

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by msggunny

Please tell me how you do it, because i dont believe you.

Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.

Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.

I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.

[Judge Smails]

At the risk of stoking this bitter, albeit entertaining flamewar here, I see you have listed one of your other 110s on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-...QQcmdZViewItem

Flame on.

[msggunny]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.

Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.

I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.

Alright, it seems I am getting all red in the face over nothing seeing as it doesn’t, and wont affect me.

The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.

I’m not saying that it is, there could possibly be a legitimate way to do it, but I cant see a reason to be secretive about it. There are only 2 reasons for secrets, one is for national security and the other is to cover up bad stuff. And D110’s are not a subject of national security….

Now, I know that laws can be “bent” and that there are “ways around” anything. That doesn’t mean that some EPA Nazi wont come and confiscate it. What happens when every state goes to the same clean air requirements for vehicles that California has? It doesn’t look like its too far away. Will this mean that the vehicles will not be able to pass the emissions tests? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t gable $20K, let alone $70K on it.

If the way these vehicles were brought in is legit, than there is NO reason why we cant be told how.

O, and Golden I am glad that I could be your comic relief for the day.

Just remember, what comes around goes around. Karma is a bitch

[msggunny]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Why Thank you. I can't remember a single customs examiner I dealt with, on a daily basis, for over 20 years who had less knowledge than you, and trust me, that's saying something. Still, I'd feel all warm and fuzzy if I thought every government employee had your language and spelling skills.

Sorry if I put words in your mouth, but what you say here is tantamount to calling him a liar.

I typed out a lengthly reply, but then said "fuck it" Why don't you pick up the phone and speak to either of the RIs listed on the FR in the past 6 months who have dealt specifically with DEFENDERS. I can assure you the paperwork I held in my hand and the truck I looked at were 100% legally imported. I know for a fact that Globals '99 was also, and Global has posted the documentation of others he has legalized.

Alright, it seems I am getting all red in the face over nothing seeing as it doesn’t, and wont affect me.

The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.

I’m not saying that it is, there could possibly be a legitimate way to do it, but I cant see a reason to be secretive about it. There are only 2 reasons for secrets, one is for national security and the other is to cover up bad stuff. And D110’s are not a subject of national security….

Now, I know that laws can be “bent” and that there are “ways around” anything. That doesn’t mean that some EPA Nazi wont come and confiscate it. What happens when every state goes to the same clean air requirements for vehicles that California has? It doesn’t look like its too far away. Will this mean that the vehicles will not be able to pass the emissions tests? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t gamble $20K, let alone $70K on it.

If the way these vehicles were brought in is legit, than there is NO reason why we cant be told how.

O, and Golden I am glad that I could be your comic relief for the day.

Just remember, what comes around goes around. Karma is a bitch

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by msggunny

The way I see it is that if everything here was 100% legit, there would be no problem with disclosing how it is done. Since no one is willing to do that, it screams “scam” to me.

I can't argue with your logic, and ordinarily, had I not had the fond (sic) experience of dealing with this issue for as long as I did (they weren't cars, but they sure as hell were national security issues) I would be as circumspec as you. I can say that sellers are extremely guarded about their relationship with Registered Importers. First off, The RI will take anybody's money to do what they do, but any seller who drops as much as they do with an RI, whether rightly, or otherwise, feels he is the one who paid for the RI to gain that experience. Secondly, and more basic, they simply don't want the competiton. This reason is fairly limp to me, since they know better than anyone else, what a PITA the process is, and frankly, If I had that kind of cash to throw at a toy, I'd rather pay for a delivered product, and not the timeconsuming and tredious process of doing it on my own.
I don not understand why you were directed to the EPA for inquiring about importing, since the catagory of vehicle would have fallen under the responsibility of NHTSA, and one of their approved RIs. The RI acts as the 'prime' and deals with DOT, EPA, and finally gets their blessing from NHTSA. It sounds to me like you were sent to somone in the middle of the chain, and I understand why they gave you the answer they did.
The RI doesn't have the benefit of "developing a relationship", like taking some dude out for lunch and golf, and expecting favorable treatment. The final submital goes directly to NHTSA and you eventually get a reply.
I was licensed by State (OMC) and all my stuff, coming and going, were large scale componants. I had to have my own $10m bond, received between 2 and 3 40' containers weekly (what didn't come by air) and genuinely believed the paperwork exceeded the product in mass, effort and sometimes value. In total, all I can say is that it exceeded several thousand tons. (not the paperwork, the product)

[Golden747]

im not going to tell you how its done because i'm in business like everyone else in the world,to make money. the less people that know how its done, the better it is for me. like i said, if you want to buy one i'll sell you one. it is 100% legal. if you look at my website you will realize ive been in business for a long time and i assure you i know that they are legal.

[Menace2U]

Just curious - will you guarantee that one of these D110s could be legally registered and titled in my state (NJ)? By this I mean full refund on the purchase price if the process cannot complete because of legal or related issues?

I can see some responsibility on the Buyer's end to maybe do some work to pass emissions (within reason) as those standards vary by state. But there would need to be some form of guarantee that I could get it that far (get it titled in my state, registered, insured, etc...) without issue.

Thoughts?

AndrewT

[Golden747]

yes.i would for sure buy it back if for some reason you couldn't get it titled in your state and i would put that in writing

[timh]

My son stumbled upon a Defender 90 listed on Craigslist San Francisco, @ $5,000. When he mentioned the price I had to take a look.

I know little about cars and less about Defenders but from the pics and description something seems strange. The poster has not returned my email of yesterday.

Can one of you 'experts' take a quick look and put me out of my misery? The parts alone are worth more than that right?

Tim

[TerryS]

There are a bunch of scams being run on Craigslist lately, like the 2001 HSE Range Rover in the Boston Craigs list for $3500. Funny, the listing said private seller, but the pics were of one on a dealers lot in FL.

[jimfoo]

I know someone who has some legally registered Defenders from non-imported years. He bought parts from so many suppliers, whatever was required by the law in the state he lived in, and put them together titled as kit cars.

Here is a pic of one of them.

[timh]

Thanks guys.

I did get a response, phone call & email, and in that San Francisco is only 40 minutes away, I'll probably go take a look.

Did I mention its RHD?

Tim

[timh]

Just to put it to bed so to speak. Called and sent an email in the hopes I could see the truck, haven't rec'd a response and the ad was pulled off Craigslist.

Thanks again for the feedback.

tim