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Old 02-08-2010, 07:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Later this year I plan to drive my 1996 Defender from Botswana to the UK and then ship it to Canada where I live. Canada Customs needs to know the month/year of manufacture. Does anyone know how to find that? I thought it might be on the door tag (photo attached) but I don't either see it or know how to decipher the answer. Appreciate any help.
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You already know the year (1996) and there is nothing in the Vin that suggests the month of manufacture.
S= Geographical region. (Europe)
A= Country. (UK)
L= Manufacturer. (Land Rover)
LD= Model. (110)
H= Wheelbase. (Defender 110 standard)
M= Body Style. (5dr Stn Wgn)
F= Engine type.
7= Gearbox.
T= Model year. (1996)
F= Build location (Worldwide CKD)
817542= Serial Number.


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Thanks for deciphering; at least I didn't miss anything re the actual date of manufacture. Do you have any ideas as to how I might discover this date? The Canada Custom's folks were quite specific about needing this, even suggesting that it may well have been manufactured in 1995 (possible, I agree).
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Thanks for deciphering; at least I didn't miss anything re the actual date of manufacture. Do you have any ideas as to how I might discover this date? The Canada Custom's folks were quite specific about needing this, even suggesting that it may well have been manufactured in 1995 (possible, I agree).
I would agree whole heartedly with them if possible as it will then be 15 years old
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US Customs requiremants also specify that the MONTH & YEAR of manufacture be supplied. If I remember correctly, the NHTSA requires this in a letter form from the manufacturer. An aquaintance, who imported a 110, this past year, got a letter from Land Rover, at Solihull. Apart from 15 years, vs. 25 years, I believe Canadian Customs requirements were derived from NHTSA language.
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The fact that your vehicle was shipped from Solihull disassembled may well make it very difficult to determine the actual build date.

As you're presumably in Motswana (or at least, the vehicle is somewhere near Motswana), an e-mail to LRRSA might be a good plan as the vehicle was most likely assembled in RSA, given the CKD notation provided by Roverrandom. Were this an NAS truck, the date of manufacture would be proudly displayed on the VIN tag, but CKD trucks, and those in the Gulf Coast states and Africa are far less communicative.

Does it have a 300 TDi, or a BMW diesel? If it's a BMW engine, it was almost certainly assembled in RSA.
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US Customs requiremants also specify that the MONTH & YEAR of manufacture be supplied. If I remember correctly, the NHTSA requires this in a letter form from the manufacturer. An aquaintance, who imported a 110, this past year, got a letter from Land Rover, at Solihull. Apart from 15 years, vs. 25 years, I believe Canadian Customs requirements were derived from NHTSA language.
Not necessarily true-with regard to the letter. If one is exporting from the UK and has complied with their laws and those of the US, the "Document of Permanent Export" will bear the date of manufacture-unless it bears a "Q" registration in which case, the date of manufacture is pretty much accepted as being what the person who registered it said it was. In my case, that was the MOD and the date it entered military service was used for date of manufacture for export purposes.
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I did purchase this vehicle in South Africa about eight years ago so the suggestion to contact LRRSA is a great one, thank you. It is a 300 Tdi. I am surprised that the date of manufacture is not on the VIN tag.
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The fact that your vehicle was shipped from Solihull disassembled may well make it very difficult to determine the actual build date.

As you're presumably in Motswana (or at least, the vehicle is somewhere near Motswana), an e-mail to LRRSA might be a good plan as the vehicle was most likely assembled in RSA, given the CKD notation provided by Roverrandom. Were this an NAS truck, the date of manufacture would be proudly displayed on the VIN tag, but CKD trucks, and those in the Gulf Coast states and Africa are far less communicative.

Does it have a 300 TDi, or a BMW diesel? If it's a BMW engine, it was almost certainly assembled in RSA.
Correct me if I am wrong but my understanding of the VIN code is that vehicles assembled in South Africa would have a 'V' in place of an 'F' for the build location. Had it been assembled in England at Solihull then I would expect to see an 'A'. Even though the vehicle was purchased in South Africa, going by the VIN it is possible that it was assembled somewhere else as 'F' indicates CKD kit rest of world. I would still try to contact LRSA though as they could well be able to shed some more light on the situation.

Oh, and if you are not already a member, give the Roverlanders of BC a shout. I'm sure they could add some advice for importing Land Rovers into BC.
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Let me know if you need hooking up with a good shipping/ custom broker specialising in vehicles. I use one based in Vancouver
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I have written to Land Rover in South Africa to see if they have any ideas. I will follow up with a call in a few days if I haven't heard anything.

I am wondering what constitutes the date of manufacture: when the vehicle is manufactured (in the UK) or assembled (wherever). Would seem to me it would be when manufactured.

Thanks for the reference to Roverlanders of BC. I shall look them up. Also, MudMonkey, I would appreciate getting info on the importer in Vancouver you mentioned.
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Thank you. I have dealt with these folks a few times in the past when importing commercial goods from the States and have been pleased with their knowledge and service.
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Here's what NHTSA says.

8. Importing a vehicle that is at least 25 years old.


A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website at Vehicle Importation and Certification Requirements. You should note that the 25 year period runs from the date of the vehicle's manufacture. If the date of manufacture is not identified on a label permanently affixed to the vehicle by its original manufacturer, to establish the age of the vehicle, you should have documentation available such as an invoice showing the date the vehicle was first sold or a registration document showing that the vehicle was registered at least 25 years ago. Absent such information, a statement from a recognized vehicle historical society identifying the age of the vehicle could be used.


I've only imported 2 cars (Both from the UK) but over 20 Motorcycles. Fortunately for me, we had our own in House broker, and 2 Bonds. I had 2 manufacturing plants in the UK, So I managed to find all sorts of goodies. I don't miss working, but I sure miss those "Business Trips".
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Here's what NHTSA says.

8. Importing a vehicle that is at least 25 years old.


A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website at Vehicle Importation and Certification Requirements. You should note that the 25 year period runs from the date of the vehicle's manufacture. If the date of manufacture is not identified on a label permanently affixed to the vehicle by its original manufacturer, to establish the age of the vehicle, you should have documentation available such as an invoice showing the date the vehicle was first sold or a registration document showing that the vehicle was registered at least 25 years ago. Absent such information, a statement from a recognized vehicle historical society identifying the age of the vehicle could be used.


I've only imported 2 cars (Both from the UK) but over 20 Motorcycles. Fortunately for me, we had our own in House broker, and 2 Bonds. I had 2 manufacturing plants in the UK, So I managed to find all sorts of goodies. I don't miss working, but I sure miss those "Business Trips".
Wasn't it going to Canada?
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