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tonycccc · 06-28-2006, 04:40 PM

I wonder if anyone could help me my 1.8 petrol has developed an overheating problem .Its basically boilng over the exspansion chamber but the guage reads normal.If i watch the engine idle as the engine gets hot the level in the chamber rises until it almost gets to the top at this piont the top rad hose is quite hard and if you give the engine a little rev the rad gets hot,then the fans come in and the water level drops.Then you go for a drive and if all goes wrong,the temp guage stays at about half way for about 5 minutes then suddenly rises to 3/4 and you can hear the tank boiling over,lift the bonnet and you will find top rad hose red hot and hard exspansion bottle empty and the rad cold with the fans running.Have just changed the thermostat ,have bled the system at the 2 bleed points and checked the cylinder head airvalve (ok). I know it may be the head gasket but I cant see how that could cause this problem any suggestion would be most welcome

garrycol · 06-28-2006, 08:38 PM

This is the standard problem that will happen to all 1.8 engines sooner or later. Is normally terminal and very expensive as in a new engine - sorry.

Do a search and you will find heaps on this problem.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR CAR UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE - tow it to a specialist and get it checked out - if you are very very very lucky you might just need a new head gasket, more likely a new head will be required and even more likely a new engine as the cylinder liners drop with overheating - sorry about the doom and gloom but there is no easy way to say it. As I said you might be lucky but don't drive the car.

Good luck - but do a google or search the Freelander forums and you find lots of information on this problem.

Sorry

Garry

tonycccc · 06-29-2006, 03:31 PM

I dont have any oil and water mixing or smoke from the exhaust so I'm going to take the waterpump out and if thats ok I will change the head gasket myself.

garrycol · 06-29-2006, 08:40 PM

I understand the cause of all the Freelander 1,8 problems is the thermostat that restricts flows and causes thermal shocks to the engine. If you are going to do what you said - do your research first - some people have removed thermostat all together and not had this problem but then have problems with the engine not running properly when cold (but better than a wrecked engine). On the assumption that your engine is still actually OK - remove the thermostat and run it - if it is then OK look on the net/dealers for options - I think there may be an updated system.

If the overheating problem continues then by all means change the head gasket - but be wary of dropping the cylinder liners.

Good luck

Garry

Hippo · 06-30-2006, 05:41 AM

If you planning to replace the waterpump, it is important to use the new thermostat set with hose modifications (LR part No PCH001190).
This includes a bypass for the old thermostat position and a new thermostat with some hoses.

Fill the system with good quality coolant (OAT specifications if it is post MY00) and bleed carefully. Trapped air inside freelander's cooling system becoming hot spots that causes HeadGasketsFailures.

Note, in January of 2006 Land Rover also re-designed the head gasket, so if you replace it use the new one, its stronger.

Good luck

tonycccc · 06-30-2006, 03:34 PM

If All Goes To Plan And This Works Im Going To Trade In Next Week

garrycol · 06-30-2006, 08:39 PM

Get a late model TD4 and you will not be disappointed.

ianann · 07-01-2006, 03:38 AM

Because of the wet sleeve design, head gasket replacement on the Kseries 1.8 is not for the faint hearted. Depending on your experince, take note of the hints on the various forums, get yourself a Haynes Manual and have a read of this link as background.
http://web.tiscali.it/elise_s1/index.htm
Best of luck
Ian Hughes
Tassie

tonycccc · 07-14-2006, 12:56 PM

Job done! all running as it should be.

I wouldnt trust a garage to change a wheel these days.

garrycol · 07-14-2006, 06:01 PM

Thats a great outcome - hope you upgraded the thermostat system.

tonycccc · 07-15-2006, 01:00 PM

no but hopefully i shall be saying

to it very soon ,freelanders are a piece of sh

t

garrycol · 07-15-2006, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonycccc

no but hopefully i shall be saying

to it very soon ,freelanders are a piece of sh

t

Good move to move on the 1.8 but I disagree with your other comment as far as the other models are concerned - my diesel has over 210,000km on it is running really well - economical in serviceing, fuel, brakes and tyres - a great car for what is was designed for - it is a shame that they used the 1.8 though.

Gazzz

kazymond · 08-01-2006, 07:43 AM

Hi, I have a 98 Freelander 2.0 diesel L type engine with the same problems, it has been in the gararge to change the heater matrix and the thermostat, fitted a new radiator and now it is in the garage to have the head gasket changed, Very dissapointed with the Freelander, it has only done 70,000 miles.
Only one lady owner before me and a full service history, Is it past it's sell by date.

garrycol · 08-02-2006, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazymond

Hi, I have a 98 Freelander 2.0 diesel L type engine with the same problems, it has been in the gararge to change the heater matrix and the thermostat, fitted a new radiator and now it is in the garage to have the head gasket changed, Very dissapointed with the Freelander, it has only done 70,000 miles.
Only one lady owner before me and a full service history, Is it past it's sell by date.

If you had a 1.8 petrol I would say you have been very lucky - but a L series diesel - you have been extremely unlucky. The L series is an incrediably good and reliable engine - the heater matrix of course is not engine relevant - all I can assume that the problems that caused the need to replace the radiator and thermostat have caused the engine to overheat at some stage and hence the head gasket has blown - if you had the 1.8 the odds would be a new engine would be required not just a gasket.

I am sorry to hear about your problems but with an L series these are exceptions to the normal.

Garry

kazymond · 08-25-2006, 02:44 PM

Hi, just collected my Freelander from the garage after six weeks one problem after another, went in for head gasket,head cracked, water pump siezed,
drive shaft in power steering pump sheered (new Power steering pump fitted)
now the Freelander wont start after a short time the diesel specialist said the belt has been fitted too tight causing the fuel pump to leak causing the fuel to run back, i am having to turn the engine over & over to start it.
Now a trip to diesel specialist to have a new fuel pump, is there anything else can go wrong with a Freelander.
kazymond

06-28-2006, 04:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
tonycccc Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	overheating I wonder if anyone could help me my 1.8 petrol has developed an overheating problem .Its basically boilng over the exspansion chamber but the guage reads normal.If i watch the engine idle as the engine gets hot the level in the chamber rises until it almost gets to the top at this piont the top rad hose is quite hard and if you give the engine a little rev the rad gets hot,then the fans come in and the water level drops.Then you go for a drive and if all goes wrong,the temp guage stays at about half way for about 5 minutes then suddenly rises to 3/4 and you can hear the tank boiling over,lift the bonnet and you will find top rad hose red hot and hard exspansion bottle empty and the rad cold with the fans running.Have just changed the thermostat ,have bled the system at the 2 bleed points and checked the cylinder head airvalve (ok). I know it may be the head gasket but I cant see how that could cause this problem any suggestion would be most welcome

07-01-2006, 03:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
ianann Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	overheating Because of the wet sleeve design, head gasket replacement on the Kseries 1.8 is not for the faint hearted. Depending on your experince, take note of the hints on the various forums, get yourself a Haynes Manual and have a read of this link as background. http://web.tiscali.it/elise_s1/index.htm Best of luck Ian Hughes Tassie

07-15-2006, 01:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
tonycccc Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	no but hopefully i shall be saying to it very soon ,freelanders are a piece of sht

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06-28-2006, 08:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
garrycol Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 110 Gallery: 0	This is the standard problem that will happen to all 1.8 engines sooner or later. Is normally terminal and very expensive as in a new engine - sorry. Do a search and you will find heaps on this problem. DO NOT DRIVE YOUR CAR UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE - tow it to a specialist and get it checked out - if you are very very very lucky you might just need a new head gasket, more likely a new head will be required and even more likely a new engine as the cylinder liners drop with overheating - sorry about the doom and gloom but there is no easy way to say it. As I said you might be lucky but don't drive the car. Good luck - but do a google or search the Freelander forums and you find lots of information on this problem. Sorry Garry

06-29-2006, 03:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
tonycccc Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	I dont have any oil and water mixing or smoke from the exhaust so I'm going to take the waterpump out and if thats ok I will change the head gasket myself.

06-29-2006, 08:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
garrycol Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 110 Gallery: 0	I understand the cause of all the Freelander 1,8 problems is the thermostat that restricts flows and causes thermal shocks to the engine. If you are going to do what you said - do your research first - some people have removed thermostat all together and not had this problem but then have problems with the engine not running properly when cold (but better than a wrecked engine). On the assumption that your engine is still actually OK - remove the thermostat and run it - if it is then OK look on the net/dealers for options - I think there may be an updated system. If the overheating problem continues then by all means change the head gasket - but be wary of dropping the cylinder liners. Good luck Garry

06-30-2006, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Hippo Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: GREECE Posts: 30 Gallery: 0	If you planning to replace the waterpump, it is important to use the new thermostat set with hose modifications (LR part No PCH001190). This includes a bypass for the old thermostat position and a new thermostat with some hoses. Fill the system with good quality coolant (OAT specifications if it is post MY00) and bleed carefully. Trapped air inside freelander's cooling system becoming hot spots that causes HeadGasketsFailures. Note, in January of 2006 Land Rover also re-designed the head gasket, so if you replace it use the new one, its stronger. Good luck

06-30-2006, 03:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
tonycccc Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	If All Goes To Plan And This Works Im Going To Trade In Next Week

06-30-2006, 08:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
garrycol Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 110 Gallery: 0	Get a late model TD4 and you will not be disappointed.

07-14-2006, 12:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
tonycccc Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	Job done! all running as it should be. I wouldnt trust a garage to change a wheel these days.

07-14-2006, 06:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
garrycol Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 110 Gallery: 0	Thats a great outcome - hope you upgraded the thermostat system.

08-01-2006, 07:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
kazymond Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Hi, I have a 98 Freelander 2.0 diesel L type engine with the same problems, it has been in the gararge to change the heater matrix and the thermostat, fitted a new radiator and now it is in the garage to have the head gasket changed, Very dissapointed with the Freelander, it has only done 70,000 miles. Only one lady owner before me and a full service history, Is it past it's sell by date.

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08-25-2006, 02:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
kazymond Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Hi, just collected my Freelander from the garage after six weeks one problem after another, went in for head gasket,head cracked, water pump siezed, drive shaft in power steering pump sheered (new Power steering pump fitted) now the Freelander wont start after a short time the diesel specialist said the belt has been fitted too tight causing the fuel pump to leak causing the fuel to run back, i am having to turn the engine over & over to start it. Now a trip to diesel specialist to have a new fuel pump, is there anything else can go wrong with a Freelander. kazymond