Synthetic winch rope discussions - Page 2 - Land Rovers Only

mbrummal · 06-21-2009, 03:58 PM

I think antichrist is trying to say (please correct me if I am wrong) that a winch is a winch. Whatever you do with it, there are dangers involved. Many people think a synthetic line makes it all safe no matter what because it won't snap back and kill you. They begin to use unsafe winching practices because the synthetic line is 'safe.' and that is wrong. A winch can kill you so you need to respect it, whether it has a steel cable or synthetic rope.

Dantelaterra · 06-21-2009, 06:04 PM

I still want a rope

michaels · 06-21-2009, 06:30 PM

i haven't had any issues with my synthetic line. i have the same winch and rope as rugbier. with that said, i wash the full length after every trail run, especially when it's used, and make sure the rope does not get abrased during use by watching what it is touching, and where the rock guard is.

synthetic line is less likely to snap back if it breaks, plus it does not kink. that is good enough for me. you can also splice together synthetic rope if it breaks, as long as you invest in the splicing tools and have the knowledge to do it, the synthetic line will be just as strong after it has been re-spliced.

there are just as many negatives and positives for both, but at least synthetic won't rust.

NHWheelin · 06-22-2009, 07:32 AM

Is the rope more likely to snap while winching through water. There havebeen a few situations where the winch was under water. Just wondering if I should take extra precautions.

Dantelaterra · 06-22-2009, 08:50 AM

How often do you have to clean it?

Disco Mike · 06-22-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NHWheelin

Is the rope more likely to snap while winching through water. There havebeen a few situations where the winch was under water. Just wondering if I should take extra precautions.

Rope, will is no more prone to snapping under water then on land.

As for cleaning it, mine if nearly 7 years old, probably been used more times than most of you have been on trails and I have only removed and cleaned mine once due to a hard pul while pulling some one out of the mud.

As for strength, standard 5/16th steel is rated at 8900#'s, mu 3/8th rope is rated at 22,500#s, doubt it will ever break when used correctly.

SAM3 · 06-22-2009, 03:51 PM

I had a 48000# weldment lifted 32' with a FMC 550 ton crane all the lift slings used were synthetic.

antichrist · 06-23-2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Disco Mike

As for strength, standard 5/16th steel is rated at 8900#'s, mu 3/8th rope is rated at 22,500#s, doubt it will ever break when used correctly.

For a well documented example of new rope breaking, read the recent Overland Journal winch test.

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Originally Posted by SAM3

I had a 48000# weldment lifted 32' with a FMC 550 ton crane all the lift slings used were synthetic.

Unless they've change operations since I was a rigger, those are web slings, not rope.

SAM3 · 06-23-2009, 07:14 AM

Synthetic Rope Development
This work addresses the US Navy's desire to develop a new generation of ropes for running rigging based on new advances in fi bers, protective materials and manufacturing methods. Synthetic rope tensile strength and axial stiffness are similar to wire ropes, yet is much lighter, (20% compared to wire rope), and more fl exible for easier rope handling. In addition, this technology provides excellent fatigue life; corrosion from salt-water environment; and excellent resistance to abrasion, wear, creep, and thermal degradation. This improved technology is available for underway replenishment (UNREP) applications, winches, elevators, towing (especially sensor arrays) and possibly in arrestor cables.

Ohmsby · 06-23-2009, 08:05 PM

I use the rope and really think it is a little more user friendly.

My rope is rated at almost four times my rig. All winching duties have an inherent risk IMHO and should be dealt with as such.

I really got jammed up this weekend and had to use the rope in a really rocky situation in Texas and just made sure the abrasion guards were correctly placed

Dantelaterra · 06-23-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Disco Mike

As for strength, standard 5/16th steel is rated at 8900#'s, mu 3/8th rope is rated at 22,500#s, doubt it will ever break when used correctly.

WOW, good bit of info, since I know very little about ropes, do you change the roller's to something different when you do the rope?

mbrummal · 06-23-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantelaterra

WOW, good bit of info, since I know very little about ropes, do you change the roller's to something different when you do the rope?

usually a hawse fairlead. the rollers will work as long as they have no way of cutting the rope in any way (like a nick from using it with a steel cable)

c0smo kram3r · 06-23-2009, 09:30 PM

I'm confused, he works for amsteelblue and masterpull?
Anyways, there is a topic over on DiscoWeb where his brand new Master Pull XD (3/8") line broke on like its second use. It was clearly a defect. I can't exactly pull it up b/c it's not loading for me right now, but I'm pretty sure the guy said that Master Pull didn't want to warrant it.

SAM3 · 06-24-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by antichrist

For a well documented example of new rope breaking, read the recent Overland Journal winch test.

Unless they've change operations since I was a rigger, those are web slings, not rope.

Synthetic round eye sling's,you can save the (I was) for the barbershop & the grandchildren.If you look at the photo of my descovery's you will see two american lattice boom's ,in my shop yard (rigging 101) .I would say synthetic is not as foolproof as alloy cable, some should never touch a winch . With your knowlege synthetic would to the job.

Ba-Riedo · 06-24-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by c0smo kram3r

I'm confused, he works for amsteelblue and masterpull?
Anyways, there is a topic over on DiscoWeb where his brand new Master Pull XD (3/8") line broke on like its second use. It was clearly a defect. I can't exactly pull it up b/c it's not loading for me right now, but I'm pretty sure the guy said that Master Pull didn't want to warrant it.

I work for Masterpull, amsteelblue.com is our website that we sell Amsteel Blue rope on. It is not affiliated with Samson rope, but is probably the best price you will find on Amsteel Blue. Can you get me a link to the thread on this? When a normal rope breaks you can splice it back together and only lose a little length off the rope. With the XD line when it breaks the pieces are not going back together, this is because of the tightly woven cover.

-Alex