BMW's

[apbtpetey]

OK I have a chance to look at 2 BMW 8 series:

1) 1992 six-speed

2) 1997 automatic

I dont have much more info on then other then they are also low mileage cars and have lots of records. A friend has access to both cars which are owned by a BMW nut.

Question is does anybody on here know anything about this model BMW?? Whats good/bad certain things to look for or to look out for??

I love the way they look and have thought about getting one in the past, but never went forward with the thought, but now have a chance to take a look at these two.

[Rugbier]

R u talking 840 or 850?

I've had both in the automatic version.

a 97 ( last year ) 850 ..a beast.. but not a car that likes to be driven slowly, in other words, if you are willing to be pulled over, then it is a great car. A tad rough iddle , understandable on a 12cyl ( not as bad as Lambos but rougher than SL600 )

a 95 840, this was a superb car, very nice for an all around car, fast, peppy, and easy as a DD.

Check for front end issues, very prominent on both models as well as the cooling system. Both of my cars has radiator issues ( fixed by warranty ), also check the AC/Heat quite expensive to fix.

Hope this helps you and Good Luck with your selection.

[ArmyRover]

I will add that if it's the 4.0 v8 in the 92 that they had issues with the niksal(sp) engines.

Other than that Rugbier, hit it on the head though if it's the v12 be prepared. I had by the grace of God a chance to experience one of those in 97 on the Autobahn. It will cause a pucker factor with flat out speed and agility. That car is sex with a shifter and tires. They are a pain to work on and parts are expensive. If they are both v12's though I would highly recommend the 6 speed, you'll not regret it other than your cheeks hurting from the grin.

Also I'll hate you for the rest of my days if you have that and your mustang....

[apbtpetey]

Both cars are 850's and both have the 12cyl in them.

Rugbier -- there is a 97 and a 92 available not a 95. Is there a difference between them??? Option wise/engine wise (between the 92 and 97)??

I love the thought of a 6-speed, but it is 5 years older then the 97

Bill, Wait till you see the Stang come springtime. I have the engine out right now and rebuilding it. Going to do a mild build up on it. I could get a 302 for it, but I like the thought of having the original engine in it (hi-po 289). Hmmmm the BMW would look nice sitting next to the Stang now that you mention it

[apbtpetey]

forgot to ask what is the difference between the 840 and the 850?

[ArmyRover]

The 840 is a v8 4.0 or 4.4 liter if I remember correctly. The 850 is 5.0 liters of pure v12 muscle.

[Rugbier]

No much difference at all on the 92 and 97 ( except lights but hard to see ), the interior on the 97 some had piping ( mine did ) and the wheels in 97 there was the optional BBS and the Brembo brakes ( again optional ). Wheel size, HP

The BIG difference will be if it is a 850 CSI instead of a 850 CI or 850 CIA.

The easy way to tell the difference is the Price tag ( 50K+ )

The CSI had wider body, wheels, an M engine amongst few.

Again, I don't know if you are going to use it as a casual driver, but the clutch tends to be a PITA if in slow traffic ( hard clutch like 911T, Lambos, Ferrari etc ).

I loved, ABSOLUTELY loved my automatic, and playing with the gears is just as fun.

89-94
Engine : V 12

Engine Code : M70 B50

Fuel : Petrol

Fuel System : Bosch Motronic Fuel Injection

Engine Alignment : Longitudinal

Drive : RWD

Displacement : 4988 cm3

Bore x Stroke : 84 x 75 mm

Type : 24 Valves

Aspiration : N/A

Compression Ratio : 8.8

Output : 300 cv (220 kW) @ 5200 rpm

Torque : 450 Nm (331 lb.ft) @ 4100 rpm

Gearbox : 6 speed Manual

Wheelbase : 268.4 cm

Length : 478 cm

Width : 186 cm

Height : 134 cm

Cx : 0.29

Front Brakes : Vented Discs (324 mm)

Rear Brakes : Discs (324 mm)

Front Tyres : 235/50 R16

Rear Tyres : 235/50 R16

Kerb Weight : 1790 kg

Weight/Output Ratio : 5.97 kg/cv

Front Suspension : Double pivot spring struts

Rear Suspension : Multi-dimension wheel suspension with five control arms

Top Speed : 250 km/h (155 Mph)

0 to 100 km/h : 6.8 s

0 to 400m (1/4 mile) : s

0 to 1000m : 26.3 s

Fuel Consumption* : 8.8L / 10.4L / 19.8L / -L

Range : km

Fuel Tank : 90 L

Trunk : 320 L

CO2 emissions : g/Km



94-97

Engine : V 12

Engine Code : M73 B54

Fuel : Petrol

Fuel System : Bosch DME inj.

Engine Alignment : Longitudinal

Drive : RWD

Displacement : 5379 cm3

Bore x Stroke : 85 x 79 mm

Type : 24 Valves

Aspiration : N/A

Compression Ratio : 10

Output : 326 cv (239 kW) @ 5000 rpm

Torque : 490 Nm (361 lb.ft) @ 3900 rpm

Gearbox : 5 speed Auto

Wheelbase : 268.4 cm

Length : 478 cm

Width : 185.5 cm

Height : 134 cm

Cx : 0.29

Front Brakes : Vented Discs (324 mm)

Rear Brakes : Discs (324 mm)

Front Tyres : 235/45 R17

Rear Tyres : 235/45 R17

Kerb Weight : 1955 kg

Weight/Output Ratio : 6.0 kg/cv

Front Suspension : Double pivot spring struts

Rear Suspension : Multi-dimension wheel suspension with five control arms

Top Speed : 250 km/h (155 Mph)

0 to 100 km/h : 6.3 s

0 to 400m (1/4 mile) : - s

0 to 1000m : 26.1 s

Fuel Consumption* : 8.4L / 10.1L / 17L / 14L (16 mpg)

Range : 642 km

Fuel Tank : 90 L

Trunk : 320 L

CO2 emissions : 326 g/Km


Hope this helps and sorry for the lenghty message

[apbtpetey]

I am told that they are csi's and they are owned by a BMW collector. Not going to be used as a daily driver, more of a weekend play toy and maybe make a trip to work here and there on nice days.

[Rugbier]

well if they are CSI, they should have the MOTORSPORT engine ( almost as the M1 )

[ArmyRover]

csi's to top it off I really hate you John. That and I think I really need to switch professions lol.

[Rugbier]

ARMY .....Don't be sad,

There is close to 20K price difference between them ( the cost of a nice 308GTS ) ,come to think of it, and if memory serves there is absolutely NO AUTOMATIC CSI. I remember when I bought my 97, the dealer was very passionate about it ( OPEN ROAD BMW - Edison NJ ).


APTBPETEY, please becareful as there are NO AUTOMATIC CSI, and I am almost positive they stopped them in 96 ( maybe a late production came as 97 ).

It is quite easy to slap the Motorsport cover on the engine, swap the fenders/spoilers and the exhaust.
I will verify with BMWNA or BMWCCA the VIN, but my guts tells me NO WAY the 97 is a CSI.
I have friends in low low places *LMAO* kidding, I have friends that will verify the VIN for you if you get it.

Originally Posted by ArmyRover

csi's to top it off I really hate you John. That and I think I really need to switch professions lol.

[apbtpetey]

Originally Posted by Rugbier

ARMY .....Don't be sad,

There is close to 20K price difference between them ( the cost of a nice 308GTS ) ,come to think of it, and if memory serves there is absolutely NO AUTOMATIC CSI. I remember when I bought my 97, the dealer was very passionate about it ( OPEN ROAD BMW - Edison NJ ).


APTBPETEY, please becareful as there are NO AUTOMATIC CSI, and I am almost positive they stopped them in 96 ( maybe a late production came as 97 ).

It is quite easy to slap the Motorsport cover on the engine, swap the fenders/spoilers and the exhaust.
I will verify with BMWNA or BMWCCA the VIN, but my guts tells me NO WAY the 97 is a CSI.
I have friends in low low places *LMAO* kidding, I have friends that will verify the VIN for you if you get it.

Okay I am going to look at the cars tomorrow. I talked to the owner and he said that the 97 is a ci version not a csi. He stated they did make a csi version up to the early 1997 versions for the US and up till 1999 for Europe versions.

The other one is a csi though.

So I guess we'll see whats up after this weekend.

[bjwhite]

6-speed all the way. There is no contest.

[Pinarello]

Have either of these cars had any Dinan upgrades???

[brian4d]

Was the 850 v12 that little 2 door BMW made for a while? If not what was the 2 door v12 they made. Very nice ride...