I recently purchased a 1998 Discovery for my wife. The main reason for selecting this particular car was that it had a "New" motor. I queried what was meant by "New" and I was told it was fully rebuilt by a well known Land Rover parts place here.
I could tell that it had all new gaskets and cold see that it had recently put together, so I did not doubt what I was being told.
When I picked it up it had a "ticking" noise that sounded like a leaking exhaust manifold. Even though it was a little annoying, I was too busy to find the exhaust leak. A few weeks later I went looking for it and could not find a leak, so I put it down to a noisy tappet. A few weeks further on and the ticking turned into a loud knocking. Even though I was hoping that it was a really bad tappet, I was pretty sure it was a slipped liner.
So the time came to open up the motor. The photos below are what I found. The motor was filthy internally. The big end and main bearings were worn through to the copper. The water pump had been taking chunks out of the timing cover as well as itself. The cam on this model requires a retainer to stop it from walking, this motor had no retainer and the block was not even drilled for it. the cam chain had so much play in it that it was lucky that it was still on there. And of course the slipped liner.
I later checked the engine number and found that the motor was around 10 years older than the car and out of a Range Rover Classic. There is virtually nothing that is reusable in this motor.
How about treating the seller to a knuckle sandwich???
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The first picture appears to be showing cylinder #1. Which cylinder is the one showing the loosened liner? I'm sort of keeping a little history of these and am finding it's almost never #1,2 7 or 8
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So, if it was an '88 engine, it wasn't even a 4.0 right? Is it a 3.5 or a 3.9?
Can you take a picture when you take the crank out, internally where the bottom of the liner rests on the counterbore (of the cyl. with the loosened liner). It probably shows evidence of pounding the counterbored step.
So, if it was an '88 engine, it wasn't even a 4.0 right? Is it a 3.5 or a 3.9?
Can you take a picture when you take the crank out, internally where the bottom of the liner rests on the counterbore (of the cyl. with the loosened liner). It probably shows evidence of pounding the counterbored step.
It was number 7 that went. It was one of the early 3.9's. We still had 3.9's in Discos up to 1998.
I will not be stripping the motor further due to the legal issues. I will be getting a Land Rover specialist to strip it so that it can't be claimed that I swapped parts or anything.
great pics, not to hijack post but, when i bough the wifes rover he had it listed in EXCELLENT condition, i would say IMO it was in FAIR condition, but the wife wanted it, so i bought it we are allready have spend 1400$ in repairs and condition problems, now she tells me like 2 hours ago that when she turns right she hears a grinding noise, yes i am in NY, and she tells me at 8:30 pm, i want to ring the previous owners neck, good luck on your repairs, and the pics, are good, but i understand you wanting to ring the previous owners bell
hell that is a "new" engine if it is not the one it came with from the factory. you know the kind when a friend or a family member calls you up and says hey i got a new (blah blah) and when you see (blah blah) it's 10 years old. good luck with that. do you have anti lemon laws down under? thats some bulshit.
It was number 7 that went. It was one of the early 3.9's. We still had 3.9's in Discos up to 1998.
I will not be stripping the motor further due to the legal issues. I will be getting a Land Rover specialist to strip it so that it can't be claimed that I swapped parts or anything.
Sorry Terry, I go it wrong, it was the second from the rear on the left, so it is number 5, not 7 as I stated
If the motor was "rebuilt" or had new gaskets installed by someone other than the seller, it does not sound like you have much of a case. All the seller has to do is claim he did not know since he did not do the work himself.
Sounds like you just got took. Is it really that hard to tell the difference between a cross-bolted block and one that's not?
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Sorry Terry, I go it wrong, it was the second from the rear on the left, so it is number 5, not 7 as I stated
Terry it ended up having two slipped liners, number 8 and number 5. Number 8 had been gone for sometime and carbon had formed on the block above the liner, so I did not spot it initially.
If the motor was "rebuilt" or had new gaskets installed by someone other than the seller, it does not sound like you have much of a case. All the seller has to do is claim he did not know since he did not do the work himself.
Sounds like you just got took. Is it really that hard to tell the difference between a cross-bolted block and one that's not?
It is very easy to tell the difference between a cross bolted block and one that is not. I am not sure what this has to do with anything.
I should have added that the seller was a senior manager at the largest Landrover and Jaguar dealer in the state. He had access to fully equiped workshops, mechanics, and sophisticated diagnostic equipment. He picked up that the first motor in the car had a slipped liner, then he fitted a replacement motor that was also diagnosed with a slip liner and then fitted the motor that was in the car when I purchased it. He can hardly claim ignorance with the state of the motor. He also now claims that he never stated that it had a new motor. Also I have statements from the people that supplied and fitted the motor that he requested and got a cheap used motor.
It is very easy to tell the difference between a cross bolted block and one that is not. I am not sure what this has to do with anything.
So if you've got a 1998 Disco, and it has an engine in it that's not cross-bolted, that does not throw up a red flag for you? Every Rover engine since 1996 has been cross-bolted. Hell, it may have been 1995. But I know for sure that in 1998 Disco's had cross-bolted blocks. How could the engine be "new" if the block was not cross-bolted?
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I should have added that the seller was a senior manager at the largest Landrover and Jaguar dealer in the state. He had access to fully equiped workshops, mechanics, and sophisticated diagnostic equipment.
Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit who he was? Does that make any difference? Land Rover Richmond, VA is full of fucking dipshits. There is only one person there who I'd trust to tell me what the weather was like outside. The rest of the guys are fucking morons much like yourself. So if really does not matter who the seller was. That does not make him some sort of God.
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He picked up that the first motor in the car had a slipped liner, then he fitted a replacement motor that was also diagnosed with a slip liner and then fitted the motor that was in the car when I purchased it.
This is not what you said in post #1. You alluded that the engine was rebuilt by a Land Rover employee other than the seller.
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He can hardly claim ignorance with the state of the motor. He also now claims that he never stated that it had a new motor. Also I have statements from the people that supplied and fitted the motor that he requested and got a cheap used motor.
So which is it?? Do you even know? Did the senior manager at the largest Landrover and Jaguar dealer in the state install this engine, or did he have the work done by someone other than himself?
Hope you got these statements in writing about the engine being new or rebuilt or what ever you claim. It's your word against his. You bought a truck with a block that was not period correct, that had a knock in it, for a cheap price, and now you want to cry like a little bitch that you were too fucking stupid the know the difference between a knock and an exhaust tick or the right or wrong motor for the truck.
Welcome to the used car sales world, Ian. We all knew you were fucking stupid, but damn, this takes the cake.
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good luck with that. do you have anti lemon laws down under? thats some bulshit.
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