Ford must hate LR enthusiasts in North America.

[Adam in NYC USA]

Originally Posted by garland823

what do you mean, move on with respect to Land Rover?

Someone should buy Land Rover outright, and take it away before Ford destroys it. Ford has no clue what it has, and I won't be surprise someone in Ford is talking to Shelby to improve the Range Rover Sport.

It has happened before. Voit did it with Harley-Davidson. Its time for LandRover , or let it dissapate away, like the British Empire.

Adam in NYC

[Adam in NYC USA]

That is why it is doing what it is doing. That last great idea of employee discounts has hurt them , and they want all that float so they can manever in this volatile environment.

And they need the support of their stockholders. Maybe we should all buy Ford stock and make noise about what they are doing to Land Rover.

Some people need a education, with the passenger seat of a Rover, someplace smooth, like Moab.

Adam in NYC

[LRWheelman]

At ford, Quality is Job 1. Too bad they haven't had that position filled for some 30 years. Reaming the american people is job 2, and I'm sure they have a whole management team for that one.
9 out of 10 ford trucks are still on the road today. What they failed to say is that 8 out of those 9 are abandoned, and that a tow truck is backing up to the other one.
I am just bitter with my hatred for ford. When a Land Rover friend tried to tell me that ford's aquisition of Land Rover was a good thing, I responded with "ford SUCKS". When he attemted to tell me all the potential "goodness" that could come out of it, I responded with: "you suck". He told me I was uninformed & needed to move into the modern era. My response was: "No I don't, and you still suck". Thank You all for letting me vent. I would rather that Land Rover had been bought by Little Tikes products, less plastic. Thank you, LRWheelman

[garland823]

Originally Posted by LRWheelman

At ford, Quality is Job 1. Too bad they haven't had that position filled for some 30 years. Reaming the american people is job 2, and I'm sure they have a whole management team for that one.
9 out of 10 ford trucks are still on the road today. What they failed to say is that 8 out of those 9 are abandoned, and that a tow truck is backing up to the other one.
I am just bitter with my hatred for ford. When a Land Rover friend tried to tell me that ford's aquisition of Land Rover was a good thing, I responded with "ford SUCKS". When he attemted to tell me all the potential "goodness" that could come out of it, I responded with: "you suck". He told me I was uninformed & needed to move into the modern era. My response was: "No I don't, and you still suck". Thank You all for letting me vent. I would rather that Land Rover had been bought by Little Tikes products, less plastic. Thank you, LRWheelman

for some reason, a few of the kids in my class keep gettin into arguments about who's car is better (most torque, hp, etc). i usually stay out of these because i don't have my own car. i drive a 95 disco, but it's my dad's. (i'm workin on him to give me a loan to buy my own and pay him back by the time i graduate college, i mean come on, he gave me the LR bug) anyways, somebody brought up the rover kind of derogatively, and one kid was like dude, LR's are the best SUV's made. it's made by ford! i almost flipped on the kid, who tried to tell me he wheels his ford escape and i caught him lookin at brushguards on ebay.

[Hailsharky]

Ask the kid that drives the ford escape if he pee's sitting down.

To make it funny, wear a miata's rule! tee shirt when you say it, and have someone film the whole scene reality styles man.

Then uplink it for us to watch sat night after Cops and AMW.
Peace

[garland823]

i really would. but, i go to a fairly strict catholic school. it wouldnt work out so well. and i'm not even catholic. cant wait till i get out of that place in....8 months...8 months and i am done for all practical purposes with highschool. then another 8 years until i own LR muahaha

[roverX]

Originally Posted by garland823

i really would. but, i go to a fairly strict catholic school. it wouldnt work out so well. and i'm not even catholic. cant wait till i get out of that place in....8 months...8 months and i am done for all practical purposes with highschool. then another 8 years until i own LR muahaha

So you go to a Catholic school.............

[garland823]

Originally Posted by roverX

So you go to a Catholic school.............

hahaha... i do. sorry though, i can think of only one latina. she looks anorexic and she is way, way too young. i know you like the young'ns, but she's a freshman.

[TerryS]

Calm down girls, don't get your knickers in a twist. You're acting like a bunch of prenubials with pimples on prom night. Yes, at Ford's behest, Land Rover has ceased the supply of Classic and Disco 1 parts through Land Rover's traditional dealer network, which most would agree was a legalized form of extorsion. At the same time, They mandated the creation the LAND ROVER CLASSIC PARTS DIVISION, recognizing the 'significant enthusiast following'. While ensuring the supply of parts, the new organization will provide parts at substantail savings over past sources, i.e., dealerships.

Rovers North was appointed the First US, Authorized LRCP supplier and is going to great lengths to increase warehousing.

Provided I order before 3pm, I almost always receive the parts, by UPS, the next day, keeping in mind we're both in New England. I'd rather wait till tomorrow, then drive the 15 miles to the dealership, vasaline jar in hand, pay in advance, roughly 40% more, and then wait for the parts I need to get delivered to them, so they can call me, and then drive over there again.(the need to go there is a result of their inability to order the correct part the first time, unless I point to the part on their computer screen, since they generally don't know what I'm talking about) In almost all cases, the parts affected were never stocked at the dealership, but at LRNA.
The new organization cuts out the dealer, as LRCP takes the place of LRNA, and sells directly to you.

All this info has been in most of the LR rags for months, sheesh, Get a grip!

[garland823]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Calm down girls, don't get your knickers in a twist. You're acting like a bunch of prenubials with pimples on prom night. Yes, at Ford's behest, Land Rover has ceased the supply of Classic and Disco 1 parts through Land Rover's traditional dealer network, which most would agree was a legalized form of extorsion. At the same time, They mandated the creation the LAND ROVER CLASSIC PARTS DIVISION, recognizing the 'significant enthusiast following'. While ensuring the supply of parts, the new organization will provide parts at substantail savings over past sources, i.e., dealerships.

i wonder if this will set a precedent of at least recognizing that LR has enthusiasts that are into wheeling.
HIGHSCHOOL CAR FIGHT UPDATE:
the escape kid argued with the cherokee sport kid about who's truck (i use that as loosely as possible) is better at offroading. it started with torque, then moved onto horsepower, then, no joke, how many CD's the changer can hold. the cherokee kid, along with everyone listening, said WTF, what does that have to do with anything? then we made fun of escape kid for the rest of the day, sayin "my car has 2 axles and 4 wheels", etc.

[appstatedisco]

Kind of off topic, but I just noticed that the new LR3's are available with optional heavy duty package, that comes with "active rear locking differential". Has anyone has any experience with this?

[remington]

I really think you guys are way off base here.

Ford practically INVENTED off-roading decades before Land Rover came along. The Model-T was a very capable all-terrain vehicle. And don't forget that the original Land Rovers were nothing more than an attempt to copy an American off-road vehicle.

Ford sells more off-road vehicles than Land Rover EVER will by a factor of 10, and the F-series trucks are very competent vehicles by any measure. And their build quality is and always has been far superior to Land Rover by any account or measure.

The fact is that Land Rover would be dead and buried long ago if it wasn't for foreign ownership. So be grateful.

[Adam in NYC USA]

Originally Posted by remington

Ford practically INVENTED off-roading decades before Land Rover came along. The Model-T was a very capable all-terrain vehicle. And don't forget that the original Land Rovers were nothing more than an attempt to copy an American off-road vehicle.

We don't. Before anything, you might want to think about your last statement. There were no real roads when the Model T was designed. It had to work in roads that were nothing more than a dirt path with prior cuts made by horse-drawn carriages.

So by your same argument, the horse-drawn carriage was the first off-road vehicle prior to the Model T.

Originally Posted by remington

Ford sells more off-road vehicles than Land Rover EVER will by a factor of 10, and the F-series trucks are very competent vehicles by any measure. And their build quality is and always has been far superior to Land Rover by any account or measure.

The fact is that Land Rover would be dead and buried long ago if it wasn't for foreign ownership. So be grateful.

Grateful that Land Rover is going into the tiolet? Please.

Ford did not buy LR because of the Reputation, it did it for the market share.

So what is exactly bugging you about the talk? Does it offend you?

[remington]

It offends reality, not me.

If by going into the toilet you mean Ford has modernized and vastly improved the product and is selling record volumes, yes then I guess Land Rover is in the toilet.

At best Land Rover built mediocre vehicles with a lot of character. They were very tough and capable when they were running. However charm and nostalgia will only take you so far, and as Land Rover found out, it won't take you out of the 20th century, especially when your factory is 50 year behind the times, your product line hasn't changed in decades, and your work force is generally sloppy and unmotivated.

There simply is no business plan that makes sense to serve the crowd here. Land Rover as a niche off-road manufacturer is dead. I have no intention of taking my 2006 Range Rover off road and neither do 95+ percent of buyers. I don't really relate to you guys, and the fact is Ford is not marketing or selling to you guys anyways. Current generation buyers have little in common with the hard-core represented here.

The average poster on this forum probably would struggle to pay for the insurance for a new Range Rover let alone actually buy one. There are exceptions of course but make no mistake, Ford has done the demographic research. So collect your old cars and talk about the good old days, because Ford doesn't really care and they don't need to.

[Hailsharky]

Originally Posted by remington

It offends reality, not me.

If by going into the toilet you mean Ford has modernized and vastly improved the product and is selling record volumes, yes then I guess Land Rover is in the toilet.

At best Land Rover built mediocre vehicles with a lot of character. They were very tough and capable when they were running. However charm and nostalgia will only take you so far, and as Land Rover found out, it won't take you out of the 20th century, especially when your factory is 50 year behind the times, your product line hasn't changed in decades, and your work force is generally sloppy and unmotivated.

There simply is no business plan that makes sense to serve the crowd here. Land Rover as a niche off-road manufacturer is dead. I have no intention of taking my 2006 Range Rover off road and neither do 95+ percent of buyers. I don't really relate to you guys, and the fact is Ford is not marketing or selling to you guys anyways. The average poster on this forum probably would struggle to pay for the insurance for a new Range Rover let alone actually buy one. There are exceptions of course but make no mistake, Ford has done the demographic research. So collect your old cars and talk about the good old days, because Ford doesn't really care and they don't need to.

Remington, you come off like a hard on in a spandex factory. Capt of teh debate team, I guess that makes you the master debater here but from my profiling expertise, id say you probably work for Ford, and have the RR as a company car. Before you go any furthur, ask your Land Rover delership when the next off road outing is and sign up. Just do it brother, dont argue. You can take your rig and park it at the dealership and ride in one of theres, then enjoy the day out as you watch your model RR, my model DIsco (2000) and many other models as they all crawl all over creation and do things that a ford Excursion (as cool as it looks) or Ford Expedition only wish they could do.
Then go home and pop open a bottle of something and give us a recap of how cool that was. I grew up in a Ford family, and I have had 5 Fords to date.
They were all fun, but not the kinda vehicles that last.
My neighbor has a 04 diesel dually that has broken down so many times now that he has his company lawyers suing Ford because they wont take it back eventhough it has cost them 24k in repairs since it fell out of warranty.

And before you cast the oppinion that most of us at LRO couldnt even afford the insurance on a new RR, think about how stupid you sound when you say that. Just look at how many posts per day/night talk about how much beer we drink and you will gladly see that most of us are well off enough to afford a 8 pack of Guiness every few nights.. Then there is the weekend, or Reekend as I call it.

Later, the wife is gone and it's time for me to go buy some beer and meat.
Peace