Ford must hate LR enthusiasts in North America.

[roverX]

Originally Posted by remington

It offends reality, not me.

If by going into the toilet you mean Ford has modernized and vastly improved the product and is selling record volumes, yes then I guess Land Rover is in the toilet.

At best Land Rover built mediocre vehicles with a lot of character. They were very tough and capable when they were running. However charm and nostalgia will only take you so far, and as Land Rover found out, it won't take you out of the 20th century, especially when your factory is 50 year behind the times, your product line hasn't changed in decades, and your work force is generally sloppy and unmotivated.

There simply is no business plan that makes sense to serve the crowd here. Land Rover as a niche off-road manufacturer is dead. I have no intention of taking my 2006 Range Rover off road and neither do 95+ percent of buyers. I don't really relate to you guys, and the fact is Ford is not marketing or selling to you guys anyways. The average poster on this forum probably would struggle to pay for the insurance for a new Range Rover let alone actually buy one. There are exceptions of course but make no mistake, Ford has done the demographic research. So collect your old cars and talk about the good old days, because Ford doesn't really care and they don't need to.

Can I come over for breakfast tomorrow and piss in your Cheerios again? You are entitled to your opinion and it is welcome here. Just don't expect us enthusiasts to sit down and take it lightly. The fact is, Ford does need us. There is a certain mystic that comes with owning or wanting to own a Rover. Without people like us, Ford would not have that mystic and it would die out. The people you are describing is, sadly enough, most (not all and certainly not 95%) of the US market. In other parts of the world, rovers are still used for their original purpose as the most well travelled vehicle on the planet. As far as the US market is concerned...we enthusiasts are stronger than you think.

Now, if you'll excuse me...I need to go buy some Guinness and rib eye to BBQ.

[remington]

I would think twice about bemoaning Ford ownership because their vehicles are unreliable as you are claiming. Land Rover has ranked last or near last in pretty much every measure of reliability for a long, long time. Even if Ford made the second biggest pieces of garbage on the face of the earth, that would be a big step up from where Land Rover was before the take-over.

[remington]

Originally Posted by roverX

Without people like us, Ford would not have that mystic and it would die out. ...we enthusiasts are stronger than you think.

Actually, no. Ford is doing very well marketing Range Rovers by showing them driving down Wall Street. I know it feels good to think you guys matter to the future of the company but you are not relevant to the current product line. Have you ever seen a Ford rep. post on this forum or seen Ford advertise on the forum? Or link to the forum? Seriously, they are selling to a whole different crowd by and large. Your signature shows this well-- you are driving a 10 year old Rover. Check out the forum for modern Range Rovers, it's completely dead. You guys represent the last generation customers of a now-extinct product line.

[garland823]

serg, ban this man, please. he has nothing to contribute to the forum, not even questions. i'll wear a dress to school if i find out he has a prayer of figuring out his rover the way many of the members have with theirs. the only reason he bought a rover was probably to make him feel rich. i would hardly call the LR3 a better truck than a disco 1. it may be a better soccer mom, bling bling vehicle, but its no truck. and for you to be bragging that you could afford the insurance on the rangie only shows that you are new money, and i'm not saying that to imply that to deserve respect you need to be rich generations back, you just can't expect well grounded, not shallow people to respect you when you buy every fancy toy that crosses your mind. and don't come here and insult trucks we clearly love and expect us to ignore it. wanna get fucked up? make fun of a retarded kid in front of his parents. and do yourself a favor, stop wasting your time trying to convince us that we're wrong, because unlike you, Ford, and everybody else buying into the new land rover bs, we're motivated by something other than money or status.

If you dont plan on wheeling your RR, what do you plan on doing with it? driving around the city? if thats the reason, what a brilliant, environment concious man you are.

[roverX]

Originally Posted by remington

Actually, no. Ford is doing very well marketing Range Rovers by showing them driving down Wall Street. I know it feels good to think you guys matter to the future of the company but you are not relevant to the current product line. Have you ever seen a Ford rep. post on this forum or seen Ford advertise on the forum? Or link to the forum? Seriously, they are selling to a whole different crowd by and large. Your signature shows this well-- you are driving a 10 year old Rover. Check out the forum for modern Range Rovers, it's completely dead. You guys represent the last generation customers of a now-extinct product line.

1 - Wall Street...good for them, someone has to be stupid enough to buy a new vehicle that depreciates within 15 feet of driving it off the lot - oops, I guess that would be you.
2 - A ford rep would get his arse kicked.
3 - Selling to a whole different crowd (see #1). If it wasn't for guys like me buying the used rovers, you couldn't buy a new one b/c of the surplus used, lease returns, and trade-ins.
4 - For what I do, a new RR couldn't handle it. Plus, I am not stupid enough to spend that much money on a vehicle when I can get a used one for 1/4 the price and spend the rest of the money on my kids or another social agenda.
5 - I don't think you should be banned. If it wasn't for people like you - the so-called new generation of rover owner (notice owners, not enthusiasts), guys like me wouldn't be reminded every now and then about why we own this vehicle in the first place.
6 - My sig line? Leave her out of this. Them thar is fightin' words son.

You sound like a typical upper class kid/20 something who argues with a limited number of facts. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. I used to be like you when I only had a BA or MS. Come back with you get your doctorate.

Tell me...what was your relationship like with your mother? How did it make you feel the first time you saw your daddy naked? Did you feel inadequate? Inferior? How old were you when you had your first sheep? Sorry, I digress. Trying to stop analyzing so much.

Back to topic....

[Hailsharky]

Originally Posted by remington

Actually, no. Ford is doing very well marketing Range Rovers by showing them driving down Wall Street. I know it feels good to think you guys matter to the future of the company but you are not relevant to the current product line. Have you ever seen a Ford rep. post on this forum or seen Ford advertise on the forum? Or link to the forum? Seriously, they are selling to a whole different crowd by and large. Your signature shows this well-- you are driving a 10 year old Rover. Check out the forum for modern Range Rovers, it's completely dead. You guys represent the last generation customers of a now-extinct product line.

Like Tony in Scarface, I am reloaded (meaning, I have beer and meat in the kitchen).

Remington you are right on this post. This is the reason for the thread Ned.
We do represent, we are the the Land Rover owners that actually know what we drive and what they can do. If I meet a guy or gal at a winery or other public function, do you think they know what they drive? They think the maker is Range Rover for crying out loud, that a Land Crusier is a Land Rover as well.
The new Land Rover comercials are the worst car comercials on the air. Scratchy music, strobe light flashes of scenes that have nothing to do with Land Rover at all, and model like drivers with thrift store clothes and queer eye hair cuts.
When I roll down the road in my Disco, I relish in the fact that if "Red Dawn" kicks in, I can save my ass, and take my wife and dogs to higher ground while I figure things out for survival. Old school land rover drivers think that way man.
Find the thread that we all talked about survival kits (posted around the time Cane Katrina was happening) and you will find a thread longer then renee russos legs man. We went on and on about survival. That is the charicter and profile of a true Land Rover driver.
Post that same question on teh new Land rover sights and I bet you get a few queery replies about how they will just buy, buy, buy what they need when the time comes, or pay someone to help them.

As far as banning Remington, I say let him lurk. It's American to do so.
But I didnt say you have to like heem.
Just wave at him when you drive by as he waits for his tow service to come change his flat.

[roverX]

Originally Posted by garland823

wanna get fucked up? make fun of a retarded kid in front of his parents.

Now that is a powerful statement.

[remington]

Originally Posted by garland823

wanna get fucked up? make fun of a retarded kid in front of his parents.

Nice response. You do realize you are actually comparing your Land Rover to a mentally retarded child, right?

[Hailsharky]

What if my kid was retarded. Id be pissed beyond all hell right now.

Lets proof our statements please.

[Adam in NYC USA]

Originally Posted by roverX

Now that is a powerful statement.

As a fellow American and an owner and user of a Land Rover, I always notice one thing about my fellow citizens:

They think they have the right to say something stupid. And poor Remington is also defensive of the Ford Motor Company.

For the record, Ford does not care. Ford just makes cars and trucks, some good and some bad.

They also don't own Land Rover. They just bought the company that makes them.

Dude: you should read these posts. You might learn something you won't see in your RangeRover or your BMW. You just have to figure out what it is.

My question: why would you defend Ford?

[Hailsharky]

My question: why would you defend Ford?[/quote]


Seriously, they have the ability to make cool cars and trucks and they puss out and make mediocre vehicles that look like everything else.

The new mustang looks cool, but it still has the same lame interior and small engines. Why no 302 and 351 2005 style ahh?

The Super dutys trucks are cool, but dont get the diesel, it will kill the trannys left and right.

everything else they make is ugly and femm.

That GT they made is a unreliable pinto in wolfs clothing. Looks mean, but it has so many flaws.

Why not Make one bad ass truck like the titan or dodge hemi
One bad ass sports car like the corvette
One bad ass muscle car like the new 2 dr GTO (6 litre) ugly but cool by specs
one bad ass family car like the chrysler 300
one bad ass station wagon like the magnum
One bad ass Suv like the exscursion that can climb like a discovery??
One bad ass mid sized SUV like the 2000 Disco only give it a 300 hp V8 like my wifes rocket has.
One luxury SUV like the navigator
one luxury car like the Lexus LS 430
One econo car like the civic
one econo truck like the tacoma.
Done. One company that would one day rule the automotive marketplace.

Waitress, beer please.

[roverX]

Originally Posted by remington

Nice response. You do realize you are actually comparing your Land Rover to a mentally retarded child, right?

Man, you really need to get an education. He is not comparing his rover to a developmentally disabled child. He is making an analogy in regards to the type of responses that your statements elicit. But then I guess you would know that if you were educated.

[garland823]

Originally Posted by roverX

Man, you really need to get an education. He is not comparing his rover to a developmentally disabled child. He is making an analogy in regards to the type of responses that your statements elicit. But then I guess you would know that if you were educated.

thank you, i thought i was actually gonna have to point that out to this intelligent man. and actually, maybe i am comparing the good rovers to retarded children. i prefer for my cars not to have but so much brains, because i drive a 250,000 mile disco that i would be shocked to find out if it has ever been to a shop for anything other than a recall or periodic maintenance. keep your 06 rangie out of the shop for that long, if you can even bear to keep a truck that long because it will no longer impress people, and start talking. i bet you your little genius of a car ends up in the shop because of the computers. seriously, navigation systems, "smart" transmissions, and all that crap take the fun out of driving. and you want retarded? think about how excessive/stupid an SUV with brembo brakes and a supercharger is. sure it can start and stop fast, but it isnt gonna be worth a damn in a turn.

[TerryS]

Golly Poindexter, you must be really really smart. I wouldn't know if it was as many as 95% of all new Range Rover owners who are so concerned with their near $80k investment that they wouldn't take them off road. It's probably the ones who bought them more for boasting, and showing off, that don't actually use them for anything an Escalade wouldn't do equally well. You know the type, the ones who make sure we all knew they paid what they did, got their 14 speaker entertainment system, and can't relate to anyone on an enthusiast web site. They just come in to try and get some attention, or 'recognition', since they can't seem to find the websites dedicated to shallow and insecure, new money, or, more often than not, barely money. They come in, and find a way of saying the obvious, in such a manner as to sound as though they are enlightened, when in fact, they simply failed to recognize the others knew pretty much what he was saying, just didn't give a shit, because they were in it for the fun of it, not the materialistic need of it. I'm sure you've run across them before, the ones who assume they have convinced everyone of their superiority, that since they drive such an expensive vehicle, that anyone else could afford the insurance. ( A fact that probably wouldn't have even occured to them if they themselves hadn't some difficulty with the costs of being enslaved by such an insecure need to be recognized.)

I suppose I'm a bit like you, if only in this respect. I too said that Ford did the Land Rover community a great service when they bought the company, as the alternative would have more than likely meant the demise of the Land Rover. I only hope that when I said it, I didn't come across as such an arrogant asshole as you did.

[Hailsharky]

Terry, when you are visiting southern California and feel like hitting some of the local Temecula wineries please give us a heads up. I think my wife and I would have a great time with you.

Really fun listening to you tear people apart.

Peace