The best overall Bull Bar. ? ?? ?

[R_Lefebvre]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

It still does not make it true. A person sitting inside the car is restrained by a seat belt and therefore how close they are sitting to the steering wheel is less relevant.

As stated previously, and contained in the article I posted, it takes around 25 inches of crush at 30 mph to keep the body within 20Gs. To reduce that crush area by around 20%, with the removal of the crush cans, has a significant impact on force place on the body.

And yes, any accident is over in milliseconds. Therefore, something that gives you a few more milliseconds is important.

To argue over which one of you made a incorrect statement first appears a bit stupid.

And somebody who wears their seatbelt loose instead of tight? (the vast majority of people)

How about somebody wearing a seatbelt over a heavy winter parka?

How about an obese person with 3" of fat to displace before the seatbelt starts acting on their structure?

You're also making the mistake of assuming that the crumple zone is constant. By your own statement, it takes "a couple tons" of force to crush, which means that they only act at about 2G. So, while you may have removed 5% of the crush SPACE, you have only removed about 1% of the total energy absorbing ability of the chassis.

And back to the original point...

You state that a person in a car wearing a seatbelt is restrained, and therefore the distance they are from the steering wheel (substitute: airbag) is less relevant, then why are we concerning ourselves with deployment time? They're restrained. They don't even need airbags right? Oh no, but wait you say, the airbag does in fact help. Well, if it helps, then the time it takes to reach it makes a difference. And that comes right back to my point that sitting 3" further back is the same as removing 3" of pre-deployment soft crush space.

[XtremeMarine]

A fat person is their own crumle zone. Trust me,... lol!

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by XtremeMarine

A fat person is their own crumle zone. Trust me,... lol!

But are they airbag compliant?

[ArmyRover]

Originally Posted by antichrist

But are they airbag compliant?

It's been studied at length and found that fat people are not air bag compliant.

9 times out of 10 they were witnessed attempting to eat the air bag as it deployed.



uummmmmmm marshmellows

[slangel]

Originally Posted by ArmyRover

It's been studied at length and found that fat people are not air bag compliant.

9 times out of 10 they were witnessed attempting to eat the air bag as it deployed.



uummmmmmm marshmellows

that's just funny!

[antichrist]

Good thing airbags aren't shaped like Twinkies

[slangel]

Originally Posted by antichrist

Good thing airbags aren't shaped like Twinkies

It is a good thing isn't it! If they were then I might eventually qualify for the aforementioned "be my own crumple zone"

[R_Lefebvre]

Originally Posted by antichrist

Good thing airbags aren't shaped like Twinkies

But they are shapped like jelly filled donuts. They even have powder on them!

[slangel]

Originally Posted by R_Lefebvre

But they are shapped like jelly filled donuts. They even have powder on them!

meh....jelly filled donuts don't do it for me....gotta be a twinkie or ohhh an eclair would be awesome!

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by slangel

meh....jelly filled donuts don't do it for me....gotta be a twinkie or ohhh an eclair would be awesome!

mmmmm....eclairs

[slangel]

Originally Posted by antichrist

mmmmm....eclairs

I know they are so yummy....think I might bake some later!

[XtremeMarine]

Originally Posted by antichrist

But are they airbag compliant?

Males: No.

Females: Yes.

They come with their own airbags.

...at least my ex did.

LOL!

[Jarrodw]

I am always amazed that they (ARB) have such a bad rap. I have had mine for 5 years. I hit a tree once that would have totaled my RRC if not for the bumper. I have bashed it on rocks and I have maxed out my SuperWinch 9 many times. The bumper is holding up fine. I think the issue is that they are not great for the Air Bag Rovers. Also, I do not like where the winch mounts on the Disco II ARB bumper. My RRC does not have air bags so there is no crumple zone to bend on the bumper.

If I ever need to replace it, I might go with the RTE just to see what everyone is talking about. I do like how you can order the RTE to account for a 2 inch body lift.

-Jarrod

[Wortho]

Hi guys, just to throw a spanner in the works. I have just returned from a full factory tour at ARB HQ in Kilsyth Victoria and have "seen the bars that were crashed" (not Disco ones, though i did see D2 bars in production) so i can say with certainty that they are very thoroughly tested, not allowed to take photo's though, they have a very sophisticated test rig where they can simulate any load, angle or weight applied to the bar at any point and at any level of impact they want all taken from data logging the real deal so they don't have to keep destroying real cars. It was pretty impressive really, especially where they design the OME suspension. You'd be amazed at how much goes into the design of it all.
Just remember that not all bars are designed with the same goal in mind, by the look of it the RTE bar would be great for approach angle and general bash-ability(i can say the same for my non airbag ARB though). The ARB bar is designed for everywhere in the world and you can get it nearly everywhere in the world too, so it has to be designed for a whole heap of different considerations. The RTE looks like it would be great if you hit a rock but useless if you hit a large animal as that is a completly different thing.
Just chill out though guys at the end of the day it's all about choseing somthing that suits what your going to do with the vehicle most of the time and that all comes down to personnel choice


P.S I also found out that export bars are made in Thailand and Australian bars are made here, should'nt make any difference to quality but you never know.
P.P.S I also saw a massive stack of lockers being assembled for export, the new lockers for Rovers. They are now one piece construction and are even stronger than before they also have a new "Quad ring" O-ring so oil escaping will be a thing of the past.
Cheers Guys

[Jupiter Rover]

wow.. ive been off the forum for a long while, glad to see my thread is still alive haha...

i got some reading to do.