The best overall Bull Bar. ? ?? ?

[sideview]

P76, according to US stats, you're 98.3% dumbass & 1.7% wanker

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by sideview

P76, according to US stats, you're 98.3% dumbass & 1.7% wanker

It is good to see that you are a person that sticks to your views.
When you have nothing to support your views you just start name calling.

The topic was what bull bar should the person buy. If it is going on an airbag fitted vehicle, the compatibility to the safety features of the vehicle is an important consideration. Particularly as the safety and handling functions become more sophisticated.

The statistics were simply posted to show people that you are actually more vulnerable in your "Tank" than a passenger car. Therefore safety should at least enter into the pros and cons for the bull bar you are considering.

It is the die hard old school people, like yourself, that still hold onto ideas that were applicable 30 years ago. Unfortunately for you, the world moves on.

Go on thinking that you are safe in your "Tank" and how the more steel you add the safer you will be.

I have not attempted to recommend any particular brand. ARB has only been used as an example of an airbag compatible bar, there are many others out there. I have only attempted to highlight an area that had not been mentioned in this discussion prior to me raising it. Most of the other considerations had previously been mentioned and I do not intend to convey that the safety functions of the bar should be the only consideration in your purchase.

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by Roverhound

See, here's the kicker. The story is bull shit. Either the body shop had no idea what bumper was on there or they were outright lying.
I love the, "I heard from somebodies brother's friend..." shit.

Another under-developed brain heard from, which begs the question; why come in here with such a fucking adolescent attitude?

The body shop didn't tell me who made the bumper, and they have no horse in the race. They are only being paid to repair the damage. As to how they came to understand what happened, the owner of the car told them.

[Nomar]

Originally Posted by TerryS

As coincidence would have it, I just came back from MA (just up the road) from a body shop trip to have work done on another of my rovers and there was a disco in with a RTE bumber on it. The guy was using his highlift (actually a JACKALL, which I hate) and was lifting from the corner of his front bumper. As I understood the body shop foreman, he had it up pretty high (off road, flat front tire) when the entire corner of the bumper let go, and in coming down took out the LF fender, headlight assembly, and hood.
From the Left frame rail out to the tip of the bumper, it was up on a 45 degree angle.

Did you actually see this Terry?
A RTE wing bent up at a 45 degree angle?

I find this very hard to believe. In fact, I won't believe it unless I see a pic.
The wing bent up from being jacked??

[p76rangie]

My next bar

[slangel]

Originally Posted by Expedition Nutter

First, it's not my vehicle, it is a friends vehicle and I didn't see it after the crash, so I cannot answer WHY the bumper got bent backwards, I just know it did it from impact, and 30 mph against a FORD FOCUS should not have done that much damage if the bumper was that good (solid), considering how easily modern cars crumple up like aluminum pepsi cans. Why did they total the truck? I never asked. Another thing - different insurance companies will go to different lengths to satisfy customers. One company might offer to repair it, while another totals it. At 30 mph, RTE/ARB bumper or not, anyone would walk away. My point - 30 mph should not have trashed this Disco with an RTE bumper, ARB bumper etc.

Hmmm.....I think I know to which vehicle you are referencing, and doesn't this person have another Disco now, an '04 with ANOTHER RTE bumper on it, and he made a statement he was glad he had an RTE on his Disco or it would have been worse?

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by Nomar

Did you actually see this Terry?
A RTE wing bent up at a 45 degree angle?

I find this very hard to believe. In fact, I won't believe it unless I see a pic.
The wing bent up from being jacked??

Yes, I saw it. I may be off on the 45 degree part, but it was bent up sufficiently to push the front corner of the wing up, and bent the front corner of the hood. The lamp was pretty much toast, and I think the hood was repairable, but they were ordering up a new one.
It didn't bend simply from Jacking. I think even my ARB would stay straight from a static load of whatever the 110 would put on the corner. It was bent because the Jackall "hilift" (apologies RN, I think it's just plain junk, not to mention dangerous) slipped down many pin holes before the ratchet pin stopped it, and, as I understood it, when it stopped it's downward plunge, the bumper failed. The bumper was laying on the floor, so I can't say if it was the mounting bolts or some part of the bumper itself that first failed, but it sure wasn't straight.
I'm pretty sure I I know who the adjuster is, so I may get more info from him when I see him. I'm going back up there next week. I'll try to remember to take my wifes point&shoot. I never figured how to get a picture out of my phone, and my DSLR seems to always be too big to post here.

For the most part, I'm enjoying the thread, so P76 & Sideview, play nice. As for other pot stirrers, well, consider the source.

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

My next bar

See that's just god awful ugly and doesn't seem to offer much protection - my opinion. I'll keep my RTE.

Sidenote...I was at a Dealer event last night at the dealership, I have drool all over my RTE...

[antichrist]

I don't know the regulations in Australia, and don't really need to since I don't live there and, unfortunately, don't know if I'll ever even get to visit, but...
In the US, bumpers, according to the NHTSA which oversees such things, are not considered safety equipment except in so far as they protect the lights, radiator and other front end parts (the frame isn't one of the parts) of the a vehicle. The "energy absorbing" features of modern bumpers are only requirements because automobiles were sustaining too much (read, many $$$) damage in low impact collisions. Also, they are not required to be part of the SRS system.

Obviously other countries have different regulations, but the OP is in Florida, so really only US laws are the ones to worry about.
If you're in the US, buy the bumper you think best meets your needs and don't let people BS you with comments about nonexistent laws/regulations, or those from other countries.

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

My next bar

Ian, that thing is just plain Ugly. And if the winch is what I think it is, well I have Penn fishing reels stronger than that. Why do you guys use so much pipe on your Roo bars? The day my son's stage one 109 arrived, we had enough to plumb a small town laying on the ground when we were done

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by slangel

See that's just god awful ugly and doesn't seem to offer much protection - my opinion. I'll keep my RTE.

Sidenote...I was at a Dealer event last night at the dealership, I have drool all over my RTE...

See how beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I reckon that the RTE bars look crap. The bar I pictured is a hell of a lot stronger than the RTE. That vehicle has been to hell and back and the bar has not moved a millimetre. Just about every other panel has been replaced though.

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

See how beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I reckon that the RTE bars look crap. The bar I pictured is a hell of a lot stronger than the RTE. That vehicle has been to hell and back and the bar has not moved a millimetre. Just about every other panel has been replaced though.

AGAIN I said my opinion.....I can say the same for my RTE and truck along with alot of other people. I have my fair share of "beauty marks" on my rover. The trails I do here have lots of rocks, my RTE has kissed A LOT of them with not even a scratch, nor movement to it....as I said to each his own....fyi didn't call yours was CRAP said it was UGLY and if ugly functions for you...

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Ian, that thing is just plain Ugly. And if the winch is what I think it is, well I have Penn fishing reels stronger than that. Why do you guys use so much pipe on your Roo bars? The day my son's stage one 109 arrived, we had enough to plumb a small town laying on the ground when we were done

Gee some people talk shit. That winch would be worth nearly as much as your whole vehicle. It is a highly modified Warn highmount, running twin 24 volt motors and mounted to a PTO type drum with air operated clutch. It will winch the vehicle as fast as a lot will drive offroad and you can freewheel the cable out with your little finger.

Pipe by its nature is a lot stronger than box tube.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by slangel

AGAIN I said my opinion.....I can say the same for my RTE and truck along with alot of other people. I have my fair share of "beauty marks" on my rover. The trails I do here have lots of rocks, my RTE has kissed A LOT of them with not even a scratch, nor movement to it....as I said to each his own....fyi didn't call yours was CRAP said it was UGLY and if ugly functions for you...

Do a google search on "Mike Smith" and Range rover. You may start to get an idea of what that vehicle as been through and what it is designed for.

I didn't say the RTE bar was crap, I said they look like crap (ugly in your terms)

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Gee some people talk shit. That winch would be worth nearly as much as your whole vehicle. It is a highly modified Warn highmount, running twin 24 volt motors and mounted to a PTO type drum with air operated clutch. It will winch the vehicle as fast as a lot will drive offroad and you can freewheel the cable out with your little finger.

Pipe by its nature is a lot stronger than box tube.

I love when people try to say this is this and that is that with their little stats and regs but when someone points out something on their vehicle they get silly.. Boy I am SOOO jealous of all the "goodies" on your truck.....now back to the bullbars....