The best overall Bull Bar. ? ?? ?

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Do a google search on "Mike Smith" and Range rover. You may start to get an idea of what that vehicle as been through and what it is designed for.

I didn't say the RTE bar was crap, I said they look like crap (ugly in your terms)

I am sorry I am not one who needs to verify what your truck has been through - don't care - this isn't a pissing/wheeling contest - your fugly bumper suits you and mine suits me...you beat the crap out of yours, I beat the crap out of mine, along with many,many other RTE owners....AGAIN said to each his own. I have just wheeled with people and their assorted bumpers and watched them bend on things that mine doesn't.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by slangel

I love when people try to say this is this and that is that with their little stats and regs but when someone points out something on their vehicle they get silly.. Boy I am SOOO jealous of all the "goodies" on your truck.....now back to the bullbars....

Firstly, the heading on the picture is "My next bar". To the not so bright, that means I do not have it yet. Therefore, the picture is not of my vehicle and the goodies on it are not mine.

Secondly, I had not knocked the look of your RTE bar. You are the one that started making statements about what YOU think looks good or not.

The quoting of ADRs was related to a pointed remark by someone in regard to what tests had been done on ARB bars to determine whether they are airbag compatible. There was never any suggestion that the ADRs had any relevance to the laws in the states. In half the states in the US you cannot be pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, so it does not surprise me that you do not have any laws preventing you from stuffing up the airbag system on your vehicles.

I just love the way several idiots on this forum only know how to attack rather than discuss.

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Firstly, the heading on the picture is "My next bar". To the not so bright, that means I do not have it yet. Therefore, the picture is not of my vehicle and the goodies on it are not mine.

Secondly, I had not knocked the look of your RTE bar. You are the one that started making statements about what YOU think looks good or not.

The quoting of ADRs was related to a pointed remark by someone in regard to what tests had been done on ARB bars to determine whether they are airbag compatible. There was never any suggestion that the ADRs had any relevance to the laws in the states. In half the states in the US you cannot be pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, so it does not surprise me that you do not have any laws preventing you from stuffing up the airbag system on your vehicles.

I just love the way several idiots on this forum only know how to attack rather than discuss.

I love how you refer to others as "not so bright and idiots" but call Tami out for namecalling - whose the idiot? I must say that you are however providing a vast amount of entertainment for others on other forums that are viewing this thread. I noted that you said my next bar - that is the assumption you will have the goodies and the fact you defend them confirms it....yes I will say it....moron...ah I feel better - you have a quality day!

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by slangel

I am sorry I am not one who needs to verify what your truck has been through - don't care - this isn't a pissing/wheeling contest - your fugly bumper suits you and mine suits me...you beat the crap out of yours, I beat the crap out of mine, along with many,many other RTE owners....AGAIN said to each his own. I have just wheeled with people and their assorted bumpers and watched them bend on things that mine doesn't.

How thick are you.
I will say it again. It is not my vehicle. My name is not Mike Smith.
It is a competition vehicle. It is a competition designed bar. It is VERY strong. I like it as it also has a good design.

You say you like RTE bars, But as soon as I post a photo of a Bar that I like, it is open season. The reason I posted a photo is because you would have never heard of the brand.

[slangel]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

How thick are you.
I will say it again. It is not my vehicle. My name is not Mike Smith.
It is a competition vehicle. It is a competition designed bar. It is VERY strong. I like it as it also has a good design.

You say you like RTE bars, But as soon as I post a photo of a Bar that I like, it is open season. The reason I posted a photo is because you would have never heard of the brand.

How thick are you?? Look at my posts after that.....wow...Also didn't know what your name was in the first place and don't view people's profiles, made the assumption that it was you whom I was expected to google, I don't make a habit of bragging on things that aren't mine........last time I checked free will reigns and people are entitled to state their opinions and I think it is ugly you think mine is ugly - whoop te do.

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Gee some people talk shit. That winch would be worth nearly as much as your whole vehicle. It is a highly modified Warn highmount, running twin 24 volt motors and mounted to a PTO type drum with air operated clutch. It will winch the vehicle as fast as a lot will drive offroad and you can freewheel the cable out with your little finger..

I said something to the effect 'that I think it is. Obviously it's not, but sure sounds like some overengineered earthmoving machinery. Wow, 24 volts, I imagine the extra batteries and air compressor add a bit of ground pressure at any rate. Why not just use a good Ransey worm gear winch? My RE12000 can pull a house down (not that I have tried, mind you)

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Pipe by its nature is a lot stronger than box tube.

I think that is not true. Why are extension cranes made with rectangular box frames, and not round tube? It certainly seems easier to bend a piece of pipe than a box tube. That aside, I was refering more to the quantity of pipe used in one of those 'roo' bars, not the, uh, engineering logic behind their design.
Sorry If you thought I was talking shit, you have obviously mistaken me for someone who actually gives a hoot.

Just as a matter of curiosity (in case you think we could make a trade, which one of my 15 vehicles is it worth more than?

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by TerryS

I think that is not true. Why are extension cranes made with rectangular box frames, and not round tube?

I wouldn't go there. The largest crane derricks and booms are, in fact, made from round tubing. Which is best, round or square, depends on the application and expected stresses.

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

The quoting of ADRs was related to a pointed remark by someone in regard to what tests had been done on ARB bars to determine whether they are airbag compatible.

I know. But like I said, the OP is in the US so quoting laws from other countries is irrelevant to his needs. In the US there is no such federal designation as an "air bag compatible" bumper. In the US, selling such is 100% marketing.

it does not surprise me that you do not have any laws preventing you from stuffing up the airbag system on your vehicles.

Show me documentation, either in the lab, or real life, where any bumper on a US spec car stuffed up the SRS and prevented air-bag deployment in a timely manner.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Sorry If you thought I was talking shit, you have obviously mistaken me for someone who actually gives a hoot.

I do not think that you "give a hoot". You only mentioned the winch in an attempt to post another negative comment. The post was about the bar, but you had to try and find something to be smart about.

I really get feed up with this shit.

[Nomar]

Originally Posted by TerryS

It was bent because the Jackall "hilift" (apologies RN, I think it's just plain junk, not to mention dangerous) slipped down many pin holes before the ratchet pin stopped it, and, as I understood it, when it stopped it's downward plunge, the bumper failed. The bumper was laying on the floor, so I can't say if it was the mounting bolts or some part of the bumper itself that first failed, but it sure wasn't straight.
I'm pretty sure I I know who the adjuster is, so I may get more info from him when I see him. I'm going back up there next week. I'll try to remember to take my wifes point&shoot. I never figured how to get a picture out of my phone, and my DSLR seems to always be too big to post here.

Ok, the slipping part makes more sense. I could see it bending from that type of impact...maybe..

I've landed on my RTE wings twice(that I know of) and did no noticable damage.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by antichrist

I know. But like I said, the OP is in the US so quoting laws from other countries is irrelevant to his needs. In the US there is no such federal designation as an "air bag compatible" bumper. In the US, selling such is 100% marketing.

These conversations keep on going around in circles. I will state it again. I did not post the information to suggest that the ADRs had any relevance to what you can and can't do. However, there is a stringent testing process here to make sure that the equipment complies with the ADRs. So the post was made to show that when ARB state that it is airbag compatible, they have had to prove it.

So when ARB state that it is airbag compatible, it is fact and not "100% marketing"

I believe that whether a bull bar is airbag compatible is very relevant to his needs as he drives a vehicle with airbags. But that is a decision that he can make. This whole thread is largely irrelevant as he had already decided to purchase a RTE bar if you read his posting signature.

[Nomar]

Originally Posted by TerryS

Why do you guys use so much pipe on your Roo bars? The day my son's stage one 109 arrived, we had enough to plumb a small town laying on the ground when we were done

P76,there is no way that tubing bumper is *stronger* than the RTE.

No.
Way.


.

[slangel]

Originally Posted by Nomar

P76,there is no way that tubing bumper is *stronger* than the RTE.

No.
Way.


.

What I have been trying to say to no avail...

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

I do not think that you "give a hoot". You only mentioned the winch in an attempt to post another negative comment. The post was about the bar, but you had to try and find something to be smart about.

I really get feed up with this shit.

No, I only made the comment about the winch because I thought it was one of the old style Warns, not to be negative. I was actually trying to lighten things up. I don't need to act smart, I are smart. Honestly Ian, you need to lighten up a bit, you're gonna have a stroke if you don't.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by Nomar

P76,there is no way that tubing bumper is *stronger* than the RTE.

No.
Way.
.

I forgot that RTE are gods.
How many box tube roll bars do you see.
Look inside any race car and see the safety frame inside. It isn't box tube.

Your right, these race people are pretty stupid and should know that box tube is better.

You guys wouldn't even know that there are different grades of steel with different strengths. I suppose that you also think that aluminum is always weaker than steel.

I do not know why people spends years at university studying engineering, when you guys know it all without all that work.

I know which looks better and is stronger. RTE bottom left, Pipe bar bottom right. RTE has no strength in the upward direction. As previously noted by others, they bent when a high lift jack was put under them


This thread just continues downhill. So I won't bother replying anymore.