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Old 06-08-2009, 09:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm looking for some HD steering options for my RRC. I've searched, but not found much info. I guess I could just sleeve the factory bars, but it still leaves the weak ends of the rod exposed for the TRE clamps. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Try, Rovertym Engineering for starters.
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Thanks Mike. I'm a dumbass. I didn't realize to click on where it says "steering" on their website.
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I would upgrade the track rod but not the rod from the steering box. The rods are actually designed to absorb severe impacts. I can drive home with a bent steering rod or I can fix it in the bush. I can't go anywhere if I destroy the steering box through an impact to the wheel.
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I would upgrade the track rod but not the rod from the steering box. The rods are actually designed to absorb severe impacts. I can drive home with a bent steering rod or I can fix it in the bush. I can't go anywhere if I destroy the steering box through an impact to the wheel.
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Good one Ian! You've raised yourself to a new level of stupidity! Excellent job!
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Good one Ian! You've raised yourself to a new level of stupidity! Excellent job!
Your reply just shows your ignorance again. When will you learn not to comment on things you know nothing about.
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the tie rod is ridiculously weak. I didn't even feel the impact that bent mine. I think they're made out of chocolate or something. I like the idea of the RTE one that's made of stainless. It remains flexible but is just plain stronger.
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the tie rod is ridiculously weak. I didn't even feel the impact that bent mine. I think they're made out of chocolate or something. I like the idea of the RTE one that's made of stainless. It remains flexible but is just plain stronger.
I run a HD Track rod as I kept on ripping them out on a regular basis. You will find that your ball joints will not last as long as they have to absorb the impacts that the track rod use to. There are a lot of ways to protect your steering rod without going to a HD rod. Also you can still get home if you bend them, or just find a fork in a tree to straighten them. I have seen steering boxes destroyed from a wheel impact with a HD steering rod. Therefore I had never fitted one. But I have had wheel impacts that have bent them. In such cases I was glad I had a standard one on otherwise the impact would have been worn by the steering box. I usually just drive home with the steering wheel off centre and straighten/replace the rod when I get home.
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for what it's worth i have a Rovertracks HD drag link and a Rovertym tie rod. They both have served me well offroad. very strong steering setup for the money.
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for what it's worth i have a Rovertracks HD drag link and a Rovertym tie rod. They both have served me well offroad. very strong steering setup for the money.
That's to bad because now your steering box will explode. Ians seen it!
The rest of us are just ignorant.
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for what it's worth i have a Rovertracks HD drag link and a Rovertym tie rod. They both have served me well offroad. very strong steering setup for the money.

X2. I have the RTE HD parts on my DII, and on my DI. I have never had problems with either. And the DII has had some direct hits to the RTE parts. Well worth the money.
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Ever tried to turn your wheel when the truck is not running? Has your power steering ever ran low on fluid? Has your power steering ever stopped work for one-reason-or-another? If so, you understand the amount of force being applied to your steering components. Turing your tires back-and-forth places a lot of stress on everything in your steering set-up - the drag link included.

Have you ever stood on an empty Coke/beer can? It's hard to believe that the can will support your weight! But what happens when you dent the can? Can you straighten your coke/beer can and expect it to hold your weight again?

The stock Rover drag link is hollow - it's built much like a beer can. The stock drag link is thin, and the steel is mild. The stock link is not made to take a hit from its sides, rather, it's made to to be pushed and pulled from it's ends.

So what happens when your stock drag link takes a hit? It's bends, right? By just simply bending the drag link back into place, does that restore its original strength? Is your drag link brand new again?


Only an idiot would think so.

Once your drag link is bent, the strength is compromised. It's no longer safe to use. It may be fine to get you off the trail, but it should not be trusted to get you home at highway speeds. There is a lot of force on that steering component and it if fails, you're fucked. The only way to safely get home would be to sleeve the drag link with your high-lift handle, or weld some sort of support to your link. Once your stock drag ink is bent, dented, or creased, it's done.







Now, I'm now nearly as experienced as Ian when it comes to Rover, obviously, but I've never seen a steering box explode do to something hitting the drag link or wheel. In fact, I've only seen one Rover steering box break, period. It was on a truck running 37" tires and a "high flow" power steering set-up. He basically twisted the sector shaft in two while turning in big rocks. Once we tore it apart to repair, you could see the sector shaft was a lemon from the factory as the metal was porous.


Rovertym makes a nice "HD" drag link and you see a lot of them in the States. I've even made a hand full of links much like the Rovertym design, but I've since changed my mind as to what I think is the "best".

The RTE shaft is a stainless steel base. This is nice because it's non-rusting and strong. But being strong is not the only selling point of the RTE link. The RTE link is made from 303 stainless which contains chromoly. Chromoly is good because is has memory to it. If the RTE link should ever take a hit it will return to it's original form - to a point, of course, as anything can still be bent.

The RTE link is also solid. Many people argue that a hollow tube is stronger than a solid link because the hollow tube has two side that have to bend. That's bullshit. A hollow tube is only 93% as strong as a solid link.

Other vendors such as Rockware and Rovertracks use a hollow DOM link. I like these for a few reasons, but I installed the Rockware over the Rovertracks link due to the use of clamps vs jam nuts on the tie rod ends. I like the clamps as it's a sure thing your tie rod ends are not going to come loose and allow the drag link to spin. This feature is not nearly as important on the drag link as it is on the tie rod. Plus, the clamps look stock.

I also like the DOM links because they're steel. If something were to happen and the link gets bent, I can weld a support to the link to get me home. You can't weld to the RTE links.

On my D1, I went with a D-90 set-up. This allowed me to move the steering dampner up front where it belongs, and still leaves me with a clean install. I had to use a RRC pitman arm, a D-90 drag link, a D-90 dampner mount and a D2 weld on frame mount to mate the steering dampner. (I would post pics of my set-up, but I don't guess I have any).

As for Ian's claim to short lived tie rod ends, I've had that issue, too. I was using cheap replacements from Lemforder. Well, they do not last. But the genuine tie rod ends hold up very well. I was going through the Lemforder ends in a very short time period - sometimes as little as 3k miles. But the genuine ends have lasted several years. They're only $10.00 more each, but well worth it.
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Stock from the factory Rovers come with a guard to protect the steering rod. If people are stupid enough to leave it exposed, they only have themselves to blame for bending them on a rock. It you want better protection than stock, try something like this:
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The problem with making everything heavy duty is that something must always remain the weakest link. You just have to decide what you want that to be. You have little hope in getting a vehicle out of the bush with a broken steering box. The times it has happened we have had to locate another box and take it to the vehicle.

When enough force is applied to any part of the vehicle, something has to give. For those that cruise the streets or just go and play on some rocks in an easy to get to area, you can always put it on a tow truck. For those of us that go places where the nearest town is many hours away, we have to make sure we can get back out. So we purposely leave a weak link that can be repaired or replaced easily.

I do not understand why the same people that reckon that Rover axles snap as easy as anything try to hold out that you can't break a shaft made from the same stuff in the steering box. But most of what they post is not logical
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When enough force is applied to any part of the vehicle, something has to give.

That is so correct, Ian. I choose to leave my "weak link" as the steering wheel. If my wheel should ever take a hit so damaging that it could potentially bend a piece of 1" hard steel, I'll let allow my steering wheel to turn and absorb the impact.

You're an idiot, Ian.

Let's see some of these exploded steering boxes.

......and that skid plate is hilarious.
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