This Locker or that Locker

[Jupiter Rover]

is this hank from a year or so ago? didnt he get banned?

[gordo]

ARBs are worth the money. Coin up and get SS braided lines and you wont have to worry about them either. Ive wheeled with both but I prefer the ARBs as the axles are only taking punishment when you need it, not all the time. Ive seen a TT break GBR front axles before. Id imagine they are the harder on axles than the Detriot. My ARBs are 10 spline and I pulled and axle I had scribbed 2 yrs ago and no twist whatsoever. I figure someday I will change the side gears out and upgrade to 24 but if it aint broke dont fix it. Nothing wrong with a TruTrac/Detriot set up but pony up for the rear axles as a minimum as if you grenade an axle theres a good chance the detriot will go bang too! Just my 2 cents.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

But, P76, you're so off base its funny as hell.

P76, listen and learn. WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, A DETROIT LOCKER IS LOCKED. It's pretty simple, actually. "Bumps in the road" do not unlock the Detroit. The Detroit does not "lock and unlock causing shock as you drive down the road". That is about the most retarded crap I've ever heard.

Is this the old Hank back after all this time.
If you ever went tp driving school, you should know that you should always drive through a corner. That is, don't brake while going through a corner, don't coast through it, but drive through it.
So what Hank is now attempting to tell us is that as you drive through a corner, which means that the diff is under power, the Detroit will never unlock. This means that for every corner that you drive through, the Detroit will try and push you in a front line and not unlock.

You can believe this stuff or you can read the operating manuals that are posted on their website and come with the locker.

Welcome back, if you are the old Hank, you were always good for a laugh.

[1hank1]

P76, you're a moron. I've called you a moron a lot of other times in the past. But, you're still a moron. I could blast you on so many threads here on LRO for poor information you've posted. But who has time for all that....

Let me say it again, P76. WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE DETROIT LOCKER IS LOCKED. Period.

What is so hard to understand? It's that simple. That is how the DT works. That is how the DT was designed. That is how the DT was built.

If the DT unlocked when you have poor traction, does the DT quit working all together if you remove an axle? Go try it!

If the DT only locks when there is low traction, why does it work on the drag strip? I mean, is a car pulling a wheelie off the start line getting poor traction?

WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE DETROIT LOCKER IS LOCKED.

Want to talk about it unlocking in a turn????? Ok. Lock your t-case and go drive through a turn at speed. See if the Detroit unlocks! Better yet, so you do not get hurt, go into an empty parking lot and so some sharp turns with the t-case locked. WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE DETROIT IS LOCKED.

Still confused? Go look at ANY truck with a part-time t-case and a Detroit Locker. Toyota, Jeep, HUMMER, Ford Ranger, what ever. It does not matter. If the Detroit is in the rear, the t-case will not even need to be locked. It does not even need 4wd. Now, go take your turn under power. It will bark the tires, squeal, peel out, push you, blah blah blah. What ever you want to call it. Know why? BECAUSE WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE LOCKER IS LOCKED.

Now, lets go look at the owners Manuel like you said to do:
http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/publ.../ct_128312.pdf
And I quote, "When going from drive (acceleration) to coast (deceleration) IN A TURN, a "metallic"sound may be heard"
There is one (1) place that says not to "drive" though a turn with a Detroit. Know why??? Do I need to say it again? Really?

Lets look here, still on page 4.
"Releasing the accelerator will reduce the torque and improve steering"
Well I be dammed................I wonder why.

Now, you are correct that the Detroit is designed to unlock in a turn. Everyone knows that. But it's not going to unlock when the PINION IS UNDER POWER.

Now that we all understand this, why is it different in a Land Rover? Well, that's because the Land Rover uses a Full-Time t-case. Meaning, power to the rear diff is only part-time. Confused?

In a Land Rover, the power will take the path of least resistance; in the front or rear drive-shafts (until the t-case is locked of course). So, when you make a turn in a Rover, even under power, chances are the rear drive shaft is NOT under power if you have a locker. Why would it? What's easier to turn, one wheel or two?

A Land Rover differs from a Jeep, Toyota, or any other vehicle with a part-time t-case. With a part time t-case, or rear-wheel-drive, it sends 100% of the power to only one drive shaft all the time, or until the t-case is locked.

So, P76, you're a moron. Please attempt to prove me wrong so you look like even more of a moron. Go read some more crap on the Internet so you can copy and paste it and try to make your point. Real World tests will throw your comments out the door every single time. I ran a DT for years and years. I know how it works. I've taken them apart and put them pack together. I've installed over a dozen of them. WHEN THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE DETROIT IS LOCKED.

Now, for the Myth part of the DT. Yes, the DT will cause most vehicles to act funny on the street. Mainly in turns. I would HATE to have a DT in any vehicle with a part-time t-case. It would suck. Same with a Locright.

But in a Rover, and a full-time t-case, the DT does not act in this manner for the reason I said above. In a Rover, you will hardly ever know there is a locker in the rear until you get off-road. Street driving is normal. Now if you lock your t-case, it's a different story. Know why??? Yeah...........

[Jupiter Rover]

you must enjoy writing research papers.. no need to fight over the definition of the DT. you're all real smart guys..

[sideview]

Yabutt what happens when there's power to the pinion?

[Jupiter Rover]

im in your sig. sweet.

[p76rangie]

Hank, it is nice to see that you have not changed. You still post in a manner that got you banned last time. If you read the instruction manual and operating tech you would know that it unlocks as soon as one wheel starts to travel at a greater distance to the other. It has nothing to do with whether it is under power or not. Just deal with the simple fact that you drive through a corner. That is, there is load on the pinion. The Detroit is designed to unlock when going around the corner. It states it a thousand times in any of the literature. But keep on posting this stuff as there is a lack of complete idiots on this forum. The fool is always worth a good laugh.

So just answer the simple questions. Does it unlock when you drive through a corner? Do you have to coast through a corner to get it to unlock?

[sideview]

Yup, that's right Pete. What a fun day that was.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Do you have to coast through a corner to get it to unlock?

THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You got it! Finally!!!!

........I will not try and confuse you why this is not correct in a Land Rover.

[Jupiter Rover]

hank why do you think DT/ARB is best?

[p76rangie]

Hank, So you say that it will not unlock when driving normally through a corner. This makes them very unsafe, but it also goes directly against what the manufacturer states. Maybe you guys should sue them for false advertising and false claims.

[Jupiter Rover]

what lockers do you run again rangie?

[1hank1]

YouTube - Donuts

Look how many times that DT locks and unlocks!

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hank, So you say that it will not unlock when driving normally through a corner. This makes them very unsafe, but it also goes directly against what the manufacturer states. Maybe you guys should sue them for false advertising and false claims.

Man, just go drive a truck with a DT in so you know what the hell you're talking about. You're clueless.