This Locker or that Locker

[1hank1]

I see that CaptainRuss has posted within 3-minutes of one of my posts. I challange one of the Admin's to view the IP addresses for each of us. I would then like for the Admin to prove Ian wrong. Again.

CaptainRuss and Hank are not the same person, dumbass.

[apbtpetey]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Just answer the basic question. Does a DT unlock going through a Corner? The answer is yes on every occasion when you have traction to both wheels.

OK Have read some not all of this thread, so I don't know everything that has been said. The following should answer your question Ian:

The Detroit Locker is an automatic locker that is always in operation. A Detroit locker works by leaving the diff locked and then it will automatically unlock when required. Basically they work by transmitting power equally to both wheels BUT allow a wheel to turn faster than the driven speed, such as required when cornering. A Detroit locker will allow one wheel to over speed, thus allowing easier cornering. So instead of "unlocking" and not transferring power to just one side it allows one of the wheels to spin faster while still providing power to both of the wheels. The ARB diff lock is operated by a switch when required and locks the diff completely. It does not allow any difference in wheel speed on the same axle.

So when going around a turn on pavement a Detroit locker will provide power to both wheels, but it will allow the outside wheel to spin faster as needed. If your on dry smooth pavement this means no chirping.

I am not an expert, but I believe the above should be pretty accurate.

[apbtpetey]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

I see that CaptainRuss has posted within 3-minutes of one of my posts. I challange one of the Admin's to view the IP addresses for each of us. I would then like for the Admin to prove Ian wrong. Again.

CaptainRuss and Hank are not the same person, dumbass.

As a mod for the site I feel pretty safe in saying CaptainRuss and Hank are not the same person

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by CaptainRuss

Oooooooooooooooo-kay now. You are totally delusional (delusional - Definitions from Dictionary.com .

Take a deep breath, rub your forehead and count to ten as you exhale and read this: Not everyone who posts to this thread is hank. Not everyone who posts here is his sycophant.

I know that this is not the proper therapeutic environment to work through some of these problems you're having, but it is important for you to realize that everyone here, (including JimFoo - I kinda' figured that's why you disappeared), is trying to help you understand. You must relax.

Again, try re-reading this thread while keeping in what's left of your weak mind that traction and power are not the same thing.

And go seek professional help, please.

Now let me see if I have my facts right!. Hank states that he is right because his tacho took longer to cook than what he states was on the packet. Therefore, EVERYTHING that Eaton states about the DT is wrong. This is undeniable proof that Eaton is wrong and therefore I am wrong.

Your only proof that I am wrong is that the person that relies on the cooking time of a tacho is right, so I must be wrong.

The only thing that Hank has put up to prove he is right was ................ Wait a minute, he has NEVER put up anything to prove he was right. It has only ever been what he says happens. He has put up some photos of unrelated issues, but he has not put up ANYTHING to support his views on the DT, except that his tacho took too long to cook. But even then he offered no proof.

Now let me see what I have put up, photos of a broken DT, admission by Hank that they break axles, Admissions by hank that often the DT destroys itself, detailed documentation from Eaton explaining how the DT works.

I can see how you reckon that I have been proved wrong, the evidence provided to date really shows it.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by apbtpetey

A Detroit locker will allow one wheel to over speed, thus allowing easier cornering. So instead of "unlocking" and not transferring power to just one side it allows one of the wheels to spin faster while still providing power to both of the wheels.

So when going around a turn on pavement a Detroit locker will provide power to both wheels, but it will allow the outside wheel to spin faster as needed. If your on dry smooth pavement this means no chirping.

Do you want to explain how it does this without any spider gears? That is, how can it be providing drive to both wheels when one is turning faster than the other.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

May be you are Hank, I am not sure.

Talk about being misquoted. I am obviously stating as fact that he is Hank.

But why not keep the diversions going. Every one wants to avoid discussing DTs.

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by apbtpetey

So when going around a turn on pavement a Detroit locker will provide power to both wheels, but it will allow the outside wheel to spin faster as needed. If your on dry smooth pavement this means no chirping.

Sorry, but not accurate. Without getting back into the argument, if the locker is locked, power to both wheels, both wheels have to turn at the same speed, so if it's locked on a corner, one tire is slipping. If one wheel is turning faster than the other on a corner, it has to be unlocked. There is no middle ground.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

Sorry, but not accurate. Without getting back into the argument, if the locker is locked, power to both wheels, both wheels have to turn at the same speed, so if it's locked on a corner, one tire is slipping. If one wheel is turning faster than the other on a corner, it has to be unlocked. There is no middle ground.

What he decribed is clearly what the manuel states. And, for the most part, this is normal operation. That is, until you put POWER TO THE PINION.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

What he decribed is clearly what the manuel states. And, for the most part, this is normal operation. That is, until you put POWER TO THE PINION.

Who is Manuel? Another of your mates?

[apbtpetey]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

Sorry, but not accurate. Without getting back into the argument, if the locker is locked, power to both wheels, both wheels have to turn at the same speed, so if it's locked on a corner, one tire is slipping. If one wheel is turning faster than the other on a corner, it has to be unlocked. There is no middle ground.

Let me try this one more time.

Think of it this way................Now this is talking about being in 2 wheel drive.........One tire is on ice and the other is on solid ground.......with a Detroit locker the tire on solid ground will spin (because it has power to it) and the tire on the ice will ALSO SPIN only it will faster as there is nothing for it to grab traction on......Now if both tires are on solid ground and have traction then both will spin at the same time......Without the locker only the tire on the ice would spin because there would be no power to the wheel on solid ground.

With a Detroit locker (which does not use spider gears) at least one wheel must turn the same rpm as the drive shaft while the other wheel can turn faster (but not slower). In most cases, the inboard wheel drives at the same RPM as the drive shaft and the outboard wheel unlocks and travels at the increased ground speed which is what is driving it.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by apbtpetey

Let me try this one more time.

Think of it this way................Now this is talking about being in 2 wheel drive.........One tire is on ice and the other is on solid ground.......with a Detroit locker the tire on solid ground will spin (because it has power to it) and the tire on the ice will ALSO SPIN only it will faster as there is nothing for it to grab traction on......Now if both tires are on solid ground and have traction then both will spin at the same time......Without the locker only the tire on the ice would spin because there would be no power to the wheel on solid ground.

With a Detroit locker (which does not use spider gears) at least one wheel must turn the same rpm as the drive shaft while the other wheel can turn faster (but not slower). In most cases, the inboard wheel drives at the same RPM as the drive shaft and the outboard wheel unlocks and travels at the increased ground speed which is what is driving it.

If one tyre has no grip (on ice), the DT will lock and turn it at exactly the same speed as the other wheel.
You are correct with the second example. That is, it is the contact with the ground that is driving the wheel faster and not the DT.

[apbtpetey]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

If one tyre has no grip (on ice), the DT will lock and turn it at exactly the same speed as the other wheel.
You are correct with the second example. That is, it is the contact with the ground that is driving the wheel faster and not the DT.

OK maybe I misunderstood some things about lockers. Like I said before I am no expert. I am better with engines then with things like lockers.

[rmuller]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

I see that CaptainRuss has posted within 3-minutes of one of my posts. I challange one of the Admin's to view the IP addresses for each of us. I would then like for the Admin to prove Ian wrong. Again.

CaptainRuss and Hank are not the same person, dumbass.

No need to look up IPs, Ian is wrong. End of story.

[DaveC]

This is just my understanding so correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have a detroit but have been learning about traction diffs.

The detroit behaves a lot differently in an AWD vehicle because both the front and rear axles are driving the truck. This halves the torque load going to the detroit making un-locking and locking less stressful compared to a part time/ rear wheel drive truck. The RWD truck goes from 50% on each rear shaft to 100% on one shaft when unlocking/ turning. I think this is the same reason that the detroit unlocks easier on an AWD truck; there is less power to the rear pinion because the front axle is receiving 50% of the torque (with CDL open). Torque or stress on the detroit will cause it to stay locked or re-lock, even on a smooth high traction surface while turning, but this is much more likely to happen in a rear wheel drive vehicle where the rear axle is seeing all of the torque. When the CDL is locked, torque can spike at the rear pinion if the front axle loses traction placing all the torque on the rear axle and keeping the detroit locked.

Is that basically how it works?
Dave

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by apbtpetey

With a Detroit locker (which does not use spider gears) at least one wheel must turn the same rpm as the drive shaft while the other wheel can turn faster (but not slower). In most cases, the inboard wheel drives at the same RPM as the drive shaft and the outboard wheel unlocks and travels at the increased ground speed which is what is driving it.

Yes, I agree, the wheel spinning faster is not getting power. The only way for one wheel to spin faster is if the diff is unlocked.