This Locker or that Locker

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Jim, you can cut and paste all day long. You will still not understand what you're looking at.

IF THERE IS POWER TO THE PINION, THE LOCKER IS LOCKED.

Go try it! It's that damn easy, lol.

Now you are confusing me!!!
You state that when you drive through a corner, it is the front wheels driving. If this is so, then there would be no load to the rear. Therefore, under your theories, the diff will unlock as there is no load on it.

You seem to be jumping around a little Hank. Are you getting a little confused also. Are you having difficulty determining what is real and what you have simply made up in your head? You need to lay down for a while and then go outside for a walk so you can work out what is real and what is not.

[1hank1]

P76,
So not the DT "locks"?????? It's always locked, moron. The DT is an "un-locker", really. When both wheels have 100% tractiuon, the locker is still locked. When one wheel looses traction, the locker is still locked. The ONLY time a DT is un-locked is where there is NO POWER TO THE PINION in a turn.

Jim,
You junk is broken. If you are on the gas in a turn, your locker is LOCKED.

[jimfoo]

Whatever...

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Now you are confusing me!!!
You state that when you drive through a corner, it is the front wheels driving. If this is so, then there would be no load to the rear. Therefore, under your theories, the diff will unlock as there is no load on it.

You seem to be jumping around a little Hank. Are you getting a little confused also. Are you having difficulty determining what is real and what you have simply made up in your head? You need to lay down for a while and then go outside for a walk so you can work out what is real and what is not.

I explained this in my very first post. Go back and re-read it.

Do you even have a Land Rover, Ian? There is no way someone can be as stupid as you. Your comments on a verity of Rover related topics are so far-fetched it really makes me wonder.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

P76,
So not the DT "locks"?????? It's always locked, moron. The DT is an "un-locker", really. When both wheels have 100% tractiuon, the locker is still locked. When one wheel looses traction, the locker is still locked. The ONLY time a DT is un-locked is where there is NO POWER TO THE PINION in a turn.

So when will is unlock. If I am driving there is always power to the pinion. If I am decelerating there is force on the pinion. So to get it to unlock I have to somehow get the throttle exactly right so that I am not accelerating or decelerating. Might as well just fit a mini-spool. Why would you want something like this in your vehicle? Every time I go around a corner the thing is going to force one wheel to break traction. So I will only have one wheel gripping the road instead of two. You would have to be an idiot to want this. Is that why you like them?

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

So when will is unlock. If I am driving there is always power to the pinion. If I am decelerating there is force on the pinion. So to get it to unlock I have to somehow get the throttle exactly right so that I am not accelerating or decelerating. Might as well just fit a mini-spool. Why would you want something like this in your vehicle? Every time I go around a corner the thing is going to force one wheel to break traction. So I will only have one wheel gripping the road instead of two. You would have to be an idiot to want this. Is that why you like them?

If you're install this in your Street Queen, then yes, you're an idiot. This is a traction aid. This is a great product for off-road. If you ever went off-road you would know and understand the benifits. But we all know that is not the case with you.

[jimfoo]

Maybe Hank is right, sort of. Maybe whatever planet he lives on has every corner with a 10' radius. Under those circumstances, the built in wheel travel limit would be exceeded and the locker would lock. But here in the real world....
Hank, maybe you should put an ARB or spool in your truck, drive it on the road locked, then put a Detroit in. You WILL notice the difference.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Your comments on a verity of Rover related topics are so far-fetched it really makes me wonder.

Find the thread that you believe my views are far fetched and we can debate it in that thread. I look forward to reading what you have to say.

I should stop making fun of you..... but it is too much fun

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

This is a great product for off-road. If you ever went off-road you would know and understand the benifits.

Explain them too me.
Loss of steering as the rear wheels attempt to push you in a straight line?
Having the arse end of the car slide sideways on sideslopes?
Unlocking when you want engine braking going down hills?
Shock loading the diff and axles so that they break when you are out in the middle of nowhere?
Forcing a wheel to break traction every time you turn into a corner on a dirt road?
I have none of these issues with my ARB lockers. Now why would I want a detroit. Is it because you don't have to think about whether you need to switch it on or not. I can understand that you may not know when you will need the locker engaged, but the rest of us are not that stupid.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Explain them too me.
1-Loss of steering as the rear wheels attempt to push you in a straight line?
2-Having the arse end of the car slide sideways on sideslopes?
3-Unlocking when you want engine braking going down hills?
4-Shock loading the diff and axles so that they break when you are out in the middle of nowhere?
5-Forcing a wheel to break traction every time you turn into a corner on a dirt road?
I have none of these issues with my ARB lockers. Now why would I want a detroit. Is it because you don't have to think about whether you need to switch it on or not. I can understand that you may not know when you will need the locker engaged, but the rest of us are not that stupid.

1- Unlock the t-case
2- Sometimes, but I never really had that problem enough to complain about it.
3- HUH?? See, this comment alone shows that you have no clue how the DT works. Why would the DT unlock going down a hill?
4- Quit running stock axles with a DT. The only time the DT's break, for the most part, is when a stock axle breaks first.The locker does not break first, the axle does.
5- Huh, so why would the wheel break traction? I thought they un-locked in a turn. Could it be because power is to the pinion? Even in a gravel parking lot, at low speeds, the DT will ratchet. If your locker locked mid-turn while you were acceleration, you just proved my point.

No, you will not have these issues with an ARB. You will have, though, blown O-rings, pumps go bad, holes in air-line, blown fuses, lockers not unlocking in tight turns imeditily..... Don't get me wrong, I love my ARB's, but the DT/ARB set-up is pretty badass, too.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

Hank, maybe you should put an ARB or spool in your truck, drive it on the road locked, then put a Detroit in. You WILL notice the difference.

You're right, there is a difference. I've had and ran for years at a time the DT and ARB. I know how they work. I know how they drive.

Now, go outside, get in you Series, and make some turns under power. You may only have a whopping 80HP, but you'll still get enough power to the pinion to show you the real deal.

You can either do this and savor yourself the humiliation, or I will post real life video of this in action. Within 5-miles of me, I can gather video of a Series, D1, D2, RRC, and a Toyota will with DT's. It's a really simple test, guys.

P76,
Post some pics of your truck. I want to see this.

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

You're right, there is a difference. I've had and ran for years at a time the DT and ARB. I know how they work. I know how they drive.

Well there you go. The ONLY reason there would be any difference is if the Detroit is unlocked in the corner. You are obviously confusing driving force transferring from the outside wheel(no power) to the inside wheel(power) to being locked. If the Detroit was actually locked in the corner, there would be NO difference between it and a locked ARB.

Well, enough of this thread for me. Time to work on the Rovers.

[Jupiter Rover]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

You're right, there is a difference. I've had and ran for years at a time the DT and ARB. I know how they work. I know how they drive.

Now, go outside, get in you Series, and make some turns under power. You may only have a whopping 80HP, but you'll still get enough power to the pinion to show you the real deal.

You can either do this and savor yourself the humiliation, or I will post real life video of this in action. Within 5-miles of me, I can gather video of a Series, D1, D2, RRC, and a Toyota will with DT's. It's a really simple test, guys.

P76,
Post some pics of your truck. I want to see this.

go make your videos and post them.

[1hank1]

Detroit Locker - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Enough said.

[Jupiter Rover]

no.. you said you could get videos of your friends series, defender, disco I and DII.. so go do it.