This Locker or that Locker

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

1- Unlock the t-case

Sorry, forgot that it is a front wheel drive when going onto corners, so the rear drive has no affect.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

2- Sometimes, but I never really had that problem enough to complain about it.

This is because you sell the stuff, you don't do anything harder than a dirt road.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

3- HUH?? See, this comment alone shows that you have no clue how the DT works. Why would the DT unlock going down a hill?

You're the expert on the DT, you should be able to figure out why.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

4- Quit running stock axles with a DT. The only time the DT's break, for the most part, is when a stock axle breaks first.The locker does not break first, the axle does.

Now this is where something that appears cheap ends up being more expensive. With lockers like ARB, there is no real reason to need upgraded axles. With the DT you must upgrade or break them. Add the cost of HD axles to the cost of the DT and then start comparing the cost to the ARB.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

5- Huh, so why would the wheel break traction? I thought they un-locked in a turn. Could it be because power is to the pinion? Even in a gravel parking lot, at low speeds, the DT will ratchet. If your locker locked mid-turn while you were acceleration, you just proved my point.

You noticed that I said on a dirt road. Has to have sufficient traction to unlock the wheel.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

No, you will not have these issues with an ARB. You will have, though, blown O-rings, pumps go bad, holes in air-line, blown fuses, lockers not unlocking in tight turns imeditily.....

Strange, I had all the problems I listed, plus more, with the detroit, I have had none of the issues you list with the ARB. I did once put a self tapping screw through the airline. But problem airlines can be fixed in 5 minutes on the trail. You cant fix the problems with the DT out there.

[1hank1]

This is because you sell the stuff, you don't do anything harder than a dirt road.

See how clueless you are! I "sell stuff"?? What do I sell, Ian? Do I now have a shop? Am I a dealer of sorts?

And all I do is dirt roads? Ian, please. You're really showing your ass here. See what a complete moron you are. I can show you pictures of my junk. You, on the other hand, post pictures of others peoples trucks - like in the Spring thread. You posted pics of 6 or 8 trucks, none of them are yours.

You want pictures of "dirt road wheeling"? Here:
Rock Garden in Texas
Rock Garden in Pennsylvania during the RCRocks Comp. I placed 2nd, team #111
Another dirt road
More Texas dirt roads. Don't think my junk can't climb stuff like this? Try again.
Want some Virginia dirt roads?
Ever been in deep snow, Ian? Oh, that was even with a DT installed. Guess how many problems I had!

How many pictures do you want, Ian? I can do this all day long.

Now, where is YOUR pics? We're all waiting.

You're the expert on the DT, you should be able to figure out why.

Your question stated that the DT UNLOCKED going down hill. The answer is, the DT DOES NOT UNLOCK GOING DOWN HILL. The DT remains locked. DO you really want to contest this? Again, you're showing your ignorance.

Now this is where something that appears cheap ends up being more expensive. With lockers like ARB, there is no real reason to need upgraded axles. With the DT you must upgrade or break them. Add the cost of HD axles to the cost of the DT and then start comparing the cost to the ARB.

Holy crap, man.The ARB does not break axles?? Hahaha, this sums this thread up nicely - you don't do anything in your Rover. If you have stock axles and a locker, you WILL BREAK AXLES. Well, unless you ride dirt roads. The stock axles are junk - plain and simple. The metal is crappy from the start. Rover should have taken lessons from Toyota on rear axles. Either way, when the axles are locked, it does not matter if it's an ARB, a spool, a DT, or a Lincoln locker - they are all hard on the stock axles. The ARB is not going to save your axles. I bet I would snap a stock axle with my ARB in my driveway.

If you have not broken a stock axle with a locker, you're the one on the dirt roads. lol. Thank for clearing that up for everyone.

You noticed that I said on a dirt road. Has to have sufficient traction to unlock the wheel.

Oh, so if I'm in a rock garden, with "sufficient traction" the locker is not going to lock? Huh, weird. Moron.

Strange, I had all the problems I listed, plus more, with the Detroit, I have had none of the issues you list with the ARB. I did once put a self tapping screw through the airline. But problem airlines can be fixed in 5 minutes on the trail. You cant fix the problems with the DT out there.

What problem did you have with the DT? Refresh my memory! Pushing your front wheels in a turn? I thought the DT unlocked in turns???

You can have problems with anything. That's the gamble you take with the different shit install on your truck. Are you going to fix an air switch in "5-minutes"? How about a seized air pump? You can fix a blown O ring in "5-minutes", lol? I bet you have no idea how to even get to the O ring or where it's located or how many there are. Yeah, go look it up..... You blow out an O ring in and you're sitting for a while - no less than an hour if it's the rear, longer if it's the front.

This is the sole reason I like the DT/ARB combo. The DT is simple. It's 200% stronger than the stock diff and it works. The ARB has a lot more moving parts to fail. That's just the risk you take.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by Jupiter Rover

no.. you said you could get videos of your friends series, defender, disco I and DII.. so go do it.

Don't add words to my post. I never said "Defender".

But what's the point now? To satisfy you? Are you too going to deny the answers I've posted, too? Do you really want to be lumped in with these morons?

Over on Pirate, if someone posts' the wrong information, a all-hell-shit-storm will break out. Notice there are not that many posts to the question. Know why? So why would I go out now and make these videos? I think my point has been proven over and over and over again. Jim and Ian are clueless.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

I can show you pictures of my junk.

You are right about the "Junk".

Originally Posted by 1hank1

You want pictures of "dirt road wheeling"? Here:

How many pictures do you want, Ian? I can do this all day long.

Nice posed shots. They confirm my view of you. I avoid going out with people like you as I end up having to pull their truck out of the bush when they continually break things.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Your question stated that the DT UNLOCKED going down hill. The answer is, the DT DOES NOT UNLOCK GOING DOWN HILL. The DT remains locked. DO you really want to contest this? Again, you're showing your ignorance.

Do I have to explain everything to you. A DT unlocks when a wheel with traction wants to turn faster than the drive from the motor. Now what do you think happens under engine braking. That's right, the wheel wants to turn faster than the drive. Do you have a clue?

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Holy crap, man.The ARB does not break axles?? Hahaha, this sums this thread up nicely - you don't do anything in your Rover. If you have stock axles and a locker, you WILL BREAK AXLES. Well, unless you ride dirt roads. The stock axles are junk - plain and simple. The metal is crappy from the start. Rover should have taken lessons from Toyota on rear axles. Either way, when the axles are locked, it does not matter if it's an ARB, a spool, a DT, or a Lincoln locker - they are all hard on the stock axles. The ARB is not going to save your axles. I bet I would snap a stock axle with my ARB in my driveway..

You stick to your DT. A normal locker will not break axles. If anything they are easier on the drive train than open diffs. Looking at your vehicle from the photos and how trashed it is, I have got no doubt that you break things just getting out of your driveway. The difference between us is that I do not play at some rock site where you can tow the thing home when you break it. I have to have my vehicle built well enough to get home from where there is not a town in a hundred miles.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

If you have not broken a stock axle with a locker, you're the one on the dirt roads. lol. Thank for clearing that up for everyone.

You've got me. You have shown me up to the whole forum. How will I ever be able to post here again

Originally Posted by 1hank1

You can have problems with anything. That's the gamble you take with the different shit install on your truck. Are you going to fix an air switch in "5-minutes"?

That timing is about right. But have never had one fail and no one else I know has had one fail.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

How about a seized air pump?

No. Properly 10 minutes.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

You can fix a blown O ring in "5-minutes", lol? I bet you have no idea how to even get to the O ring or where it's located or how many there are. Yeah, go look it up..... You blow out an O ring in and you're sitting for a while - no less than an hour if it's the rear, longer if it's the front.

Which "O" Ring? There is more than one.
The ting with an ARB locker is that if any of the things you mention go wrong, I can still drive home and be no worse off than a stock vehicle. When the DT breaks you just can't keep on driving. You will spend hours getting it ready to move and then will only have front wheel drive. Front wheel drive will not get you far off road.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

This is the sole reason I like the DT/ARB combo. The DT is simple. It's 200% stronger than the stock diff and it works. The ARB has a lot more moving parts to fail. That's just the risk you take.

Stronger. You talk about needing to upgrade axles. You also probably recommend 24 spline, yet your DT attempts to put all its drive through a few lugs a couple of millimetres high. This is their weak point and this is what breaks. A DT being strong. Thanks for giving me a good laugh again.

[1hank1]

Thanks for posting again, Ian. You just summed up everything I said in my first post. You're a moron.

Have a nice day. (as he still does not post any pics)

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Thanks for posting again, Ian. You just summed up everything I said in my first post. You're a moron.

Have a nice day

[p76rangie]

Seeing that you keep on asking for photos, I will post this one again. See the 15 small lugs that the DT puts all its drive through. This is the part that separates to disengage. See how much distance there is between the lugs and how much slop this creates. Also note how nearly all the lugs have been sheared off and are broken.

Really strong diff

[p76rangie]

In regard to the amount of parts in an ARB Vs a DT, have you actually ever looked inside a DT. Here is a photo. Your right, no parts in there to fail.

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[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

In regard to the amount of parts in an ARB Vs a DT, have you actually ever looked inside a DT. Here is a photo. Your right, no parts in there to fail.

[1hank1]

Range Rover, Defender 24 spline upgrade

[1hank1]

5-minute fix.
This Sucks, Arb Leak. - DiscoWeb Message Boards

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Where is the photos of the diff. All you have shown is the gear to run a single air line to the diff. Now that is real complicated, alright, it might be for you.
As previously stated, I can fix a broken airline in less than 5 minutes on the trail.
But none of that stuff you showed will stop me driving home as I would normally.
But then again, by the photos of your piece of junk, you don't drive it home. It gets towed.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Range Rover, Defender 24 spline upgrade

Why post a sales pitch from someone that sells HD axles. What are you trying to prove?

So let me see if I have it right about what you are trying to say. If two Discos went on exactly the same trails following each other and one had open diffs and one had ARB lockers, the one with the locker is more likely to brake an axle than the one with the open diffs. Am I learning and got it right.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

5-minute fix.
This Sucks, Arb Leak. - DiscoWeb Message Boards

Can't see the photos, so I am not sure what they are talking about.
But what I said is that the airline going from the compressor to the diff can be fixed in less than 5 minutes on the trail. If you don't know how to do it that quickly, I suggest you go away and have a think about it. I am not about to tell you something that will make your life easier.