This Locker or that Locker

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Again, Ian. You've avoided everything I've mentioned. The only comment you came back with that has not already been answered over and over and over again was this:



So, tell me, Ian.
1) Who's DT is this?
2) How did it break?
3) Where did it break (location of wheeling area.)

..........as we still wait for Ian's pictures of his truck.

Actually, lets see your ARB install, Ian. Where is your pump located?

Your no fun anymore. You are not even challenging you lack of understanding of anything mechanical. Come on, this is not like you

My pump is located under the front passengers seat. It keeps it out of the heat and crap under the bonnet. This means that it lasts longer and I do not have any issue with the components fitted to it.

In regard to who it is, or where it broke. You would not know the person or the area where it broke. How did it break, from shock loading when the axle disengaged and engaged.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

Personally, I'd rather have the ARB/ARB.

Finally, after all the crap you posted you finally admit that the ARB is better than a DT, even for what you do. That took a long time, but it had to come in the end

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Your no fun anymore. You are not even challenging you lack of understanding of anything mechanical. Come on, this is not like you

My pump is located under the front passengers seat. It keeps it out of the heat and crap under the bonnet. This means that it lasts longer and I do not have any issue with the components fitted to it.

In regard to who it is, or where it broke. You would not know the person or the area where it broke. How did it break, from shock loading when the axle disengaged and engaged.

So, tell me, Ian.
1) Who's DT is this?
2) How did it break?
3) Where did it break (location of wheeling area.)

......and, I'm still waiting on the pictures of your set-up

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Finally, after all the crap you posted you finally admit that the ARB is better than a DT, even for what you do. That took a long time, but it had to come in the end

Go back to page 2, Ian.

[1hank1]

Are you saying that a stock rover with open diffs could drive that ledge?

We all know you have a learing disability, Ian. But there is not sense in makeing it this apparent.

Here is what I said, again for you to read.

"With a open diff, the Pass side tire would never begin to turn. It's got way too much traction."

SO if you think a truck can get up this ledge with no locker, take another hit of what ever you're smoking.

I am not saying that stock axles will never break. They do if you don't drive correctly and we all know that. But you are saying that the simple fact of adding a locker, and using it, will break axles.

Correct

What I continue to state is that in the same track (that is driveable by an open diff vehicle) a vehicle with diff locks will place less stress on the drive train than one with open diffs.

Yes and no. It depends on the terrain, as I also stated above if you would have actuallt read it.

Showing pictures of your rock crawling mates does little to prove your point. You just look for an excuse to post pictures that you think are good. I already know that my dick is bigger than yours.[/quote]

I'm still waiting on your pictures. From what I can tell, you do not even own a Rover. The pictures I've posted, both of my trucks and others, prove a point. I'm not posting them just to post them. You lact to prove anything except how big of a moron you are.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

So, tell me, Ian.
1) Who's DT is this?
2) How did it break?
3) Where did it break (location of wheeling area.)

......and, I'm still waiting on the pictures of your set-up

This is your little attempt to divert the attention from you being proven wrong in virtually everything you have stated. The funny thing is that in most cases you actually proved yourself wrong.

Would it make any difference if I told you it was John Smith's locker and it broke near cemetray hill.

Now how many "O" rings are there?
How long does it take to fix an air line?
How do you drive home (or get back to a main road) when you blow up your DT. Come on, name the part in the ARB locker that when it fails leaves me any worse off that a stock vehicle.
Explain to me how a wheel spinning under power and then suddenly getting traction is easier on axles than going slower and putting no shock load on the axle?
How many people on this forum do competition rock crawling? So how relevant is your photos of climbing rocks to what people on this forum will use a locker for?

You disappont me, I thought you were stupid enough to keep on debating points that you ended up proving to be wrong.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

This is your little attempt to divert the attention from you being proven wrong in virtually everything you have stated. The funny thing is that in most cases you actually proved yourself wrong.

Would it make any difference if I told you it was John Smith's locker and it broke near cemetray hill.

Now how many "O" rings are there?
How long does it take to fix an air line?
How do you drive home (or get back to a main road) when you blow up your DT. Come on, name the part in the ARB locker that when it fails leaves me any worse off that a stock vehicle.
Explain to me how a wheel spinning under power and then suddenly getting traction is easier on axles than going slower and putting no shock load on the axle?
How many people on this forum do competition rock crawling? So how relevant is your photos of climbing rocks to what people on this forum will use a locker for?

You disappont me, I thought you were stupid enough to keep on debating points that you ended up proving to be wrong.

Your're pathtic, Ian

What will break in an ARB and leave you stuck? How about one of the 2 pinion pins? 1 of the 4 spider gears. What if the clutch gear breaks? Hell, if even a bolt snaps off it could jam the locker....

As far as how many peole here do competition rock crawing, I have no idea. That is why I recommend the DT/ARB set-up. Do you still not get that???

When I blew up my Detroit, I drove home!! LOL... Hell, I even drove around for another month with it busted! The entire thread about it is on Dweb if you think I'm making this up.

Now, again:
So, tell me, Ian.
1) Who's DT is this?
2) How did it break?
3) Where did it break (location of wheeling area.)

......and, I'm still waiting on the pictures of your set-up

[fivespddisco]

My head hurts.
P76 When a locker is locked it is forcing the wheels to spin at the same speed. That means they spin at the SAME SPEED. So if you dive you truck nice and slow up the hill on stock :crap: axles and one dose not want to spin at the same speed the axle will likely break.
If you do the same in an open diff one of the tires will spin at different speeds.
Either way stock axles are week.

Can you post a pic of your truck? I would like to see where you put your ARB switchs. Mine are in the sun roof switch spot

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by 1hank1

We all know you have a learing disability, Ian. But there is not sense in makeing it this apparent.

Here is what I said, again for you to read.

"With a open diff, the Pass side tire would never begin to turn. It's got way too much traction."

SO if you think a truck can get up this ledge with no locker, take another hit of what ever you're smoking..

So what relevance was the photo. You were attempting to state that a locker is harder on axles that an open diff. You can only claim this if the situations are exactly the same, except for the locker. Showing photos of something that you know a open diff vehicle cannot get up doesn't prove much.

And just to state you are wrong again, I have driven up similar rock faces with a locker and standard axles, and guess what, they did not break. But I cannot prove this, just like you cannot prove that standard axles would not have made it.

Originally Posted by 1hank1

I'm still waiting on your pictures. From what I can tell, you do not even own a Rover. The pictures I've posted, both of my trucks and others, prove a point. I'm not posting them just to post them. You lact to prove anything except how big of a moron you are.

As I have said, I will post pictures that are relevant to the debate, Your photos have not added anything, you just want to somehow make out that you know all about diff locks because you know how to wreck your car. Most of your photos aren't even Rovers. But what the hell, any excuse to post a few more photos. You truck use to look nice in the early photos, can't say the same about the later ones. Some one rolling their vehicle has never really impressed me either. I feel sorry for the person involved, but most roll overs happen on main roads, so hardly relevant about lockers.

Still waiting for your answers

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by fivespddisco

My head hurts.
P76 When a locker is locked it is forcing the wheels to spin at the same speed. That means they spin at the SAME SPEED. So if you dive you truck nice and slow up the hill on stock :crap: axles and one dose not want to spin at the same speed the axle will likely break.

I would like to see where you put your ARB switchs. Mine are in the sun roof switch spot

Why would you have your locker engaged when the traction is so good that an axle will break rather than a tyre spin. I cannot picture a situation where this could occur. Even driving on a sealed road with lockers engaged would rarely break anything. So it is a bit difficult to respond to such a comment.

My switches are located on the centre console, just as it rises up to the arm rest. But I would not mount them here again. Too difficult to see if you accidently leave them on and also when on a steep hill things slide back on the console and sometimes switches the stupid things off. Yours sound a better location. All I need is a sunroof

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

So what relevance was the photo. You were attempting to state that a locker is harder on axles that an open diff. You can only claim this if the situations are exactly the same, except for the locker. Showing photos of something that you know a open diff vehicle cannot get up doesn't prove much.

And just to state you are wrong again, I have driven up similar rock faces with a locker and standard axles, and guess what, they did not break. But I cannot prove this, just like you cannot prove that standard axles would not have made it.



As I have said, I will post pictures that are relevant to the debate, Your photos have not added anything, you just want to somehow make out that you know all about diff locks because you know how to wreck your car. Most of your photos aren't even Rovers. But what the hell, any excuse to post a few more photos. You truck use to look nice in the early photos, can't say the same about the later ones. Some one rolling their vehicle has never really impressed me either. I feel sorry for the person involved, but most roll overs happen on main roads, so hardly relevant about lockers.

Still waiting for your answers

LOL, every picture I post was a ROver, Ian. HAHAHA You dumbass.

What question have I not answered?

Now, again:
So, tell me, Ian.
1) Who's DT is this?
2) How did it break?
3) Where did it break (location of wheeling area.)

......and, I'm still waiting on the pictures of your set-up

[fivespddisco]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Even driving on a sealed road with lockers engaged would rarely break anything.

Do you really believe that? Will my 37s handle being locked and doing tight turn in the car park?

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Why would you have your locker engaged when the traction is so good that an axle will break rather than a tyre spin. I cannot picture a situation where this could occur. Even driving on a sealed road with lockers engaged would rarely break anything. So it is a bit difficult to respond to such a comment.

You have never actually wheeled, have you, Ian. Admit it.

Here is a good pic, again, of a place where lockers are required to make the climb, yet both rear tires are getting excelent traction:


9QUOTE]My switches are located on the centre console, just as it rises up to the arm rest. But I would not mount them here again. Too difficult to see if you accidently leave them on and also when on a steep hill things slide back on the console and sometimes switches the stupid things off. Yours sound a better location. All I need is a sunroof[/quote]

I'm confused. Maybe a pictue will help.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by fivespddisco

Do you really believe that? Will my 37s handle being locked and doing tight turn in the car park?

Now we are brining tyre size, etc, into it.
How wide are your 37's, what type of rubber compound are they may of, what tyre pressure are you running, what diff ratios, etc.
Running lower ratios than 3.54's is a big killer of axles in rovers. With 37's you are most likely running at least 4.11's, so you may run the risk of breaking axles.

But then again I have had people drive home with 38 boggers and low ratio diffs locked and not broken anything.

So to answer your question as best I can. You are certainly going to stress the axles doing what you suggested. But contrary to popular belief, rover axles are not made of tin foil. Whether you will stress them enough to break them, I do not know and nobody else will know unles they have actually done it.

But my original point was, why would you have the locker engaged in such a situation in the first place. With an ARB you actually have a choice as to when to engage it.

[1hank1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Now we are brining tyre size, etc, into it.
How wide are your 37's, what type of rubber compound are they may of, what tyre pressure are you running, what diff ratios, etc.
Running lower ratios than 3.54's is a big killer of axles in rovers. With 37's you are most likely running at least 4.11's, so you may run the risk of breaking axles.

But then again I have had people drive home with 38 boggers and low ratio diffs locked and not broken anything.

So to answer your question as best I can. You are certainly going to stress the axles doing what you suggested. But contrary to popular belief, rover axles are not made of tin foil. Whether you will stress them enough to break them, I do not know and nobody else will know unles they have actually done it.

But my original point was, why would you have the locker engaged in such a situation in the first place. With an ARB you actually have a choice as to when to engage it.

Again, a lot of babbling here.

For the record, many people have broken stock axles on 235/85/16 tires; both locked and not locked. Want pictures? There is even video on You Tube.