Spring dislocation cones

[Nick Boy]

Hello again,

We have drawn the conclusion that dislocation cones are something Land Rover really should have included as standard on the defender model (and probably others too) we need to get some in the California area, does anyone know any good off roading shops to get some (too expensive and risky to manufacture ourselves, and too much of a pain to cart them out to the States from UK). Preferably in the Los Angeles/ Southern California area.


Many Thanks,


Nick and the Lone Wolf Transglobal team

[Roverhound]

Rovertym Engineering. www.rovertym.com
Cones suck, go retained.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by Nick Boy

We have drawn the conclusion that dislocation cones are something Land Rover really should have included as standard on the defender model (and probably others too)

Why would they want to do that? The springs should not be dislocating to need them.

[gordo]

Dislocation cones are really pretty much useless. A balanced truck will have much better manners off road. Get a locker that is what LR should have installed, oh yeah and axles bigger than toothpicks if you wanna do any rocks. Gordo.

[Duncan]

It might be easier to mount them bottom up and attach them to your spring plates on the bottom. You could get a set made at any local fab shop and it would be a straight forward job you would simply retain them from the top of your coil. Land Rover did install dislocation cones on some Specialty Vehicles in the past. ( this can get to be a heated topic on this board) as their are numerous opinions on this topic. But as you asked where you could get them and not should you get them it seems as they are a very low tec option it would be cheapest to have them made.and given the extreme duty suspension you need for your journey it makes a lot of sense to run these on your Truck.
Cheers.

[Nick Boy]

Originally Posted by gordo

Dislocation cones are really pretty much useless. A balanced truck will have much better manners off road. Get a locker that is what LR should have installed, oh yeah and axles bigger than toothpicks if you wanna do any rocks. Gordo.

I couldn't agree with your more on the above.

We try to avoid too heavy terrain, as there is always another way round, unfortunately, we have found, as our springs are very stiff, they lack range of articulation before they pop out, I am sure I don't need to tell any of you how annoying this really is when a $10 bit of metal would prevent it!



This didn't take too long, but is a nuisance.

Rovertym might be a bit far out of our way, but I'll get on the phone to them on Monday asking what they can do or reccomend.

B.T.W. I took a look on the rear suspension of a Jaguar X type today, and even that has them!!

Thanks for the replies,

Nick

[chrisvonc]

I think I read in another thread that you are in California at the moment. If you call Expedition Exchange in LA, they offer a set of spring retainers that are top notch.
https://www.expeditionexchange.com/retainers/

[Badger1]

I was having the same problem with my rear springs dislocating, and someone from the UK suggested a couple hose clamps to hold them.

Haven't had a chance to try it out though. Since I made some one inch spacers for the springs I haven't had the dislocation problem anyway.

[fivespddisco]

i sell them for them they are $100 for the rear and the same for the front. I dont know why the rover world hates cones? for that mater just leave the sway bars on it make the truck more stable.

Sorry for the rant i have had a cocktail. or 2

[fivespddisco]

Originally Posted by Badger1

I was having the same problem with my rear springs dislocating, and someone from the UK suggested a couple hose clamps to hold them.

Haven't had a chance to try it out though. Since I made some one inch spacers for the springs I haven't had the dislocation problem anyway.

the spring is now 1 inch taller and the shock did not get any longer. that is why they dont pop out any more. hose clamps or big zip ties will help hold it in. But remember a spring is not designed to be pulled apart. so when you flex with the springs attached you are over stretching the spring. I dont know if it will hurt them but we all can agree its not the best thing for them.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by fivespddisco

I dont know if it will hurt them but we all can agree its not the best thing for them.

It is not any different to compressing them. Won't do any harm. But the idea is to retrict the axle movement to the length of the spring anyway. Going past this point only adds points in ramp contests, not off-road ability.

[Badger1]

Originally Posted by fivespddisco

the spring is now 1 inch taller and the shock did not get any longer. that is why they dont pop out any more. hose clamps or big zip ties will help hold it in. But remember a spring is not designed to be pulled apart. so when you flex with the springs attached you are over stretching the spring. I dont know if it will hurt them but we all can agree its not the best thing for them.

Yeah, that is what I get for going with a budget lift from DAP.... BB springs and PC's. The ride on road isn't bad(I run no sways f or r), and get decent flex offroad, just can't carry much weight in there at all with the current setup. When money permits I will be going with RT.

[Badger1]

As for front cones on a D1, I really haven't seen how they would actually do anything. Between the steering rod, cross rod, and radius arms, those are your limiting factors in the front, not the springs from what I have seen when swapping springs out.

Trust me I had a look at this a couple times when I had springs out of the truck for whatever reason. I would put jackstands under the frame, and with a bottle jack under the axle, when lowered , it only is allowed to drop so far. Stopped not ny the spring or shock, but by the above mentioned because with shocks/springs in or out it still is only drooping so far. Not a real world test by ay means though, just something I looked at in the garage for my own info.

[fivespddisco]

We just did a cone set up on a RRC and with the longer shocks He needed the cones. the plane was not to put the cones in if the spring stayed put. just jacking the truck made the spring pop out. In the rear the shock was so short so there was no need for the cone.

My point being the front will pop out with a longer shock.

[fivespddisco]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

It is not any different to compressing them. Won't do any harm. But the idea is to retrict the axle movement to the length of the spring anyway. Going past this point only adds points in ramp contests, not off-road ability.

You can believe what you like. I know you will any way. my experience at the mall tells me other wise. When i ran retained i would get hung up at this real tricky obstacle in front of bugger king. now with cones i make it over the parking block with no problem.