Is there any other place that does mods as much as Rovertym

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

Yeah you get that and thats the thing about forums there is always one that has to have is piont heard and if you dont wont to hear it all kinds of things come out

I think it is a Yahoo group thing that you have you have to have permission to join never mind its not important because if people roll there Discovery there I dont think its a place that we should know about

I have enough of people like yourself and Roverhound on this forum, why would I tell you about others I am a member of.

Rovernit. See if I have your claim to fame correct. You purchased a 1999 V8 D2 3 months ago. It was bog standard, not bull bar, no side bars, no rear bar, no winch, road tyres, and not even a CDL. Now what was your first priority to get it ready to go off road. Decent tyres would be the first for most people. No not you, went and bought some Coopers. Maybe a CDL, nah. Some protection for those hard tracks, eg bull bar, rear bar, rock sliders, etc, nah, not them either. No you decide to spend $3,000 (which would have paid for a fair bit of the above) on lifting the thing 4 inches. Then you don't even bother to check whether you can get it engineered before doing it. You base the ability to be engineered on someone doing so several years ago, yet all the rules changed 12 months ago.

When you asked for people's opinions on how much to lift your car, nearly everyone on AULRO recommended 2 inches, but did you listen. You ask advice and then ignore it and go off and do your own thing. You admit that you are new to the vehicle and won't listen to people who have been modifying them for years.

So don't try and tell me that you know what you are doing or that you are setting the car up for the hard stuff. Just keep on knocking others who are out there doing what you will never do. Finally, there is a BIG difference between driver error and poor driving. The best drivers make mistakes from time to time, but at least they had a go.

[Roverhound]

So there is no site.

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

I have enough of people like yourself and Roverhound on this forum, why would I tell you about others I am a member of. .

Then go away but you cant can you because its fun and its become an amusement, well it has for me any way

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Rovernit. See if I have your claim to fame correct. You purchased a 1999 V8 D2 3 months ago. It was bog standard, not bull bar, no side bars, no rear bar, no winch, road tyres, and not even a CDL. .

mmmmmm yes so you can go on to AULRO and do some reading man that psycho, you actually would go to that length just come back at me

PSYCHO

Yes it is standard and pretty much still is. So I bought a Vehicle that was stock as a rock, no off road use at all, the original shocks and spring still look like the day it come out of the show room, the interior has no marks at all unlike most that have paint of the plastic all scratched from being sun burnt, again what your point yes it been about 3 closer to 4 months since I bought it again what’s your point, if you knew any thing about disco’s you would know that they don’t have CDL on original 99 Series 2 unless its installed and seeing that its standard yes no CDL yet but that doesn’t mean its not coming

I have hill decent is that good

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Now what was your first priority to get it ready to go off road. Decent tyres would be the first for most people. No not you, went and bought some Coopers. .

What cooper aren’t good tyres, what’s wrong with coopers those Leyland brother swear by them what’s wrong with coopers

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Maybe a CDL, nah..

Give a bloke a bit of time all these quarrels with you have left me no time to find a decent CDL

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Some protection for those hard tracks, eg bull bar, rear bar, rock sliders, etc, nah, not them either. ..

Bull bar is being fitted on Wednesday 19th of September Im having secand thought however I was going with an ARB Bar but was advised that TJM have more approach angles but again 4 inch lift approach angles well it doesnt really matter does it

Originally Posted by p76rangie

When you asked for people's opinions on how much to lift your car, nearly everyone on AULRO recommended 2 inches, but did you listen. You ask advice and then ignore it and go off and do your own thing. You admit that you are new to the vehicle and won't listen to people who have been modifying them for years. ..

Actually I did listen and I took the information from those that had the know how on what I wanted to do

if thing where to go pear shape and there is a possibilty where talking about a set of springs that are worth $350 big deal I may not like the rate I dont know I might not like the hight but Ive taken that chance whats it to you

How many springs have you gone through with your mods hay, and I bet you’ve spend more then $350

Where else do you think I got the info do a 4 inch lift with extended rear sway bars links, watts linkages, cross member mods, extended ABS and brake lines AULRO idiot so how have I not listen that’s your problem you dont listen

Originally Posted by p76rangie

So don't try and tell me that you know what you are doing or that you are setting the car up for the hard stuff. Just keep on knocking others who are out there doing what you will never do. ..

Are you assuming that I will never do what 4wd driving wake up I have track in back yard what’s the matter with you Is it only Vic people that 4wd I bet I go out more times in a year then you do in a you fool Christ I’ve had to drive from mining sites to mining sites on roads that don’t exists for every day work you clown

So I’m new to land rover big deal

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Finally, there is a BIG difference between driver error and poor driving. The best drivers make mistakes from time to time, but at least they had a go.

Then we agree it was driver error on those photo I never said it was poor driving first you disagree then you agree


Inconclusion I'm buying Lift Lockers Bull bar CDL and should have them installed in the next month Im making rear bar and rock sliders in the near future why BECAUSE I CAN THATS WHY

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

For god sake man have a look at the first pic any thing would fall from that stupid angle even a stock landy what are you on the second pic I bet he come to greef for that same reason, that there is a simple case of poor driving

Hakan, you obviously have a short memory.

The reason I stay on this site is that I attempt to help people out. This all started by trying to help you. It just that you got upset when you didn't know how long your springs were (Which is essential in recommending length of shocks) and it has gone downhill from there. Fortunately you are Roverhound are in the minority and most of the people on this site are there to share ideas and help others.

You make out like you have all the answers for your suspension set-up, all you have are part numbers. You can't even grasp the basic concept that a 4 inch spring lift is not obtained from 4 inch longer springs.

I do visit other sites from time to time. I noticed your thread about mods to your car and was curious what others had recommended, What a surprise, they all recommended the same as I did. Slunnie did not recommend you put a 4 inch lift in, he only commented that he had one.

It is good to see that an accounts receivable clerk gets out in the mine sites. At least we finally find out what you class as 4WDing, traveling on dirt roads to mines.

Where did I say that they had a CDL installed as standard. But it is one of the simplier mods to do and usually the first for anyone going off-road.

No, Coopers are not good tyres. Just stay away from sharp rocks and make sure they don't rip your guards apart when the tread separates.

You are not talking about $300 if it goes pear shape, you are talking $3,000 as the other mods you did weren't required for the lift that everyone recommended.

Not that it is relevant, but I have spent $210 on springs in 7 years. One set of second hand ones for the rear soon after I purchased it (put the old rears in the front) for $80 and one set of new ones for $130 in the front when I changed from a alloy Roo bar to a steel bull bar and added the winch, etc. This is because I worked out what I needed and got them.

You are spending all this money on a vehicle you are yet to take on a decent track yet. You don't have a clue what it needs or doesn't. I go back to one of my earlier statements, that is, you obviously have too much money. I hope you are not redirecting some of those funds you collect.

My comments about what you had, and had not, only related to your priorities, not what you may or may not do in the future.

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hakan, you obviously have a short memory.

The reason I stay on this site is that I attempt to help people out. This all started by trying to help you. It just that you got upset when you didn't know how long your springs were (Which is essential in recommending length of shocks) and it has gone downhill from there. Fortunately you are Roverhound are in the minority and most of the people on this site are there to share ideas and help others.

You make out like you have all the answers for your suspension set-up, all you have are part numbers. You can't even grasp the basic concept that a 4 inch spring lift is not obtained from 4 inch longer springs.

I do visit other sites from time to time. I noticed your thread about mods to your car and was curious what others had recommended, What a surprise, they all recommended the same as I did. Slunnie did not recommend you put a 4 inch lift in, he only commented that he had one.

It is good to see that an accounts receivable clerk gets out in the mine sites. At least we finally find out what you class as 4WDing, traveling on dirt roads to mines.

Where did I say that they had a CDL installed as standard. But it is one of the simplier mods to do and usually the first for anyone going off-road.

No, Coopers are not good tyres. Just stay away from sharp rocks and make sure they don't rip your guards apart when the tread separates.

You are not talking about $300 if it goes pear shape, you are talking $3,000 as the other mods you did weren't required for the lift that everyone recommended.

Not that it is relevant, but I have spent $210 on springs in 7 years. One set of second hand ones for the rear soon after I purchased it (put the old rears in the front) for $80 and one set of new ones for $130 in the front when I changed from a alloy Roo bar to a steel bull bar and added the winch, etc. This is because I worked out what I needed and got them.

You are spending all this money on a vehicle you are yet to take on a decent track yet. You don't have a clue what it needs or doesn't. I go back to one of my earlier statements, that is, you obviously have too much money. I hope you are not redirecting some of those funds you collect.

My comments about what you had, and had not, only related to your priorities, not what you may or may not do in the future.

I was doing asset control management for a plant hire company prior working for the gov and I didn't know we where on first name basis yet so please be polite and indolge me with your name

besides money wise I do OK, and yes I do accounts receivable now thanks for the back round check how ever havent been a cleark for about 8 years I would appreciated if we didn't get personal I haven't asked what you do for a crust and I know I don't care SO PLEASE DON'T GET PERSONAL its uncalled for unless you want to take this to PM

Your absolutely right I could of gotten a way with 2 inch lift I'm aware of that but I don't want one I wanted more wheel travel more clearence

we both agree that if the spring are 100mm over side it doesnt mean its 100mm on the vehical it will drop lower and I hope it does

The springs I ordered are from Dobinson they are 100mm over size 220ibs front and 280ibs rear as recommended form another person of AULRO forum DISCO WHITE who has been commended for suspension set ups

I've never claimed that I know every thing about suspension so stop assuming that I think I know it all, PLEASE LETS GET THIS CLEAR all im after is the best arc best clearence best A & D Angles, I'm man enough to admit that I dont know every thing and never stated that I do. And I'm aware it all could be wrong but its my mistake that I have to live with if it doesn't work, not yours. I don't want to much people opinions as it gets ugly and confusing as your opinion is different to others and there is different to others and all of you claim to be experts for example you say 180ibs front Disco white says 220ibs Slunnie has 240ibs so who exactly is correct and why

If you can advise what size shocks are required great please do so if not I have specs from slunnie that I can work around

another method I was also told was to place the 4wd on a hoist place in the springs with no shocks support the one side of the diff with a trany stand or something slowly drop the hoist till full arc then measure bump stop clearance I'm not sure if that will work or not I am learning as I go and these are the many advise that im given hence why stand offish

if you want to help thats great there the springs spec that I have if you have answer fantastic if you dont well mmmmmmmm

besides how do you know if Ive gone out on hard tracks or not as it is or, geeez you bring out the worst in me what are you my mum

is this an aligation, I hope you are not redirecting some of those funds you collect.or a joke, how im I suppose to take it

besides what makes you such an expert I dont know nothing about you like how long youve been 4wding for where have you been what you have you done I heard that you apperently competed, did you do well why did you stop what is it that makes your word so gospel, I mean this in a nice way I could then perhaps understand where your knoledge comes from for all I know you could be inexperenced as I, by the sounds of thing you dont own a Discovery please understand I have had verious people claim to be famous and past on useless info for all I know you could be doing the same

could we please have peace I dont know about you but im buggered

[Roverhound]

Give it up 'nit. He's a web wheelin' idiot that's just here for arguments. I don't think he's helped anyone out, just fought with them.

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

Your absolutely right I could of gotten a way with 2 inch lift I'm aware of that but I don't want one I wanted more wheel travel more clearence

Hakan, A 4inch lift with heavier springs will technically reduce your wheel travel, not increase it. Removing things that may have restricted your current springs (eg shock length) may help in improving the overall arc, but the springs won't.

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

we both agree that if the spring are 100mm over side it doesnt mean its 100mm on the vehical it will drop lower and I hope it does

You still have not come to grips with the fact that your new springs ARE NOT 100MM LONGER.

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

PLEASE LETS GET THIS CLEAR all im after is the best arc best clearence best A & D Angles,

As already stated, the springs you have will not change the arc. You are swapping out approach and departure angles with roll-over angles. How many times so far has the approach or departure angle of the Disco caused you an issue.

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

I don't want to much people opinions as it gets ugly and confusing as your opinion is different to others and there is different to others.

This is where you get to me. You ask for advice and then ignore it. The advice you got from me on spring weights came from some of the same people that gave your advice on AULRO. So it was'nt different. These guys have been modifying D2's since the day they were released. They were buying brand new D2s (not second hand ones like yourself) and would have them burried in mud up to the door handles a week later. They are now starting to do it with D3s. These guys had to figure out the mods from scratch. They had to design and build their own rock sliders and rear bars as there was nothing available on the market. You had a wealth of knowledge (I was only passing on from others) advising you and you ignore it.

Again, you show how much you know about suspension. You state that Slunnie quoted higher spring rates. Do you think that may have something to do with how the 4 inch lift was obtained and the extra stability that is required due to the increase in height. Where the others were being quoted for a 2 inch lift.

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

besides what makes you such an expert .......what is it that makes your word so gospel,

I do not claim to be an expert at anything. I listen and learn from others and I try and pass on what I have learned to others. My word is certainly not gospel. I am more than willing to discuss things on a technical basis. If you have ideas on a subject, we can discuss and we will hopefully both walk away with a benefit. What pisses me off is when someone that proves time and time again that they know very little wants to debate things in general terms as they don't know specifics.

Then you get complete idiots like Roverhound who just sit in the background making stupid statements.

I was particularly amazed when I saw the D2 guys stuffing 34 inch simexs under their vehicles and I took a bit of interest in that area to find out how it can be done.

What I say should stand on its own merits and not based on what I may or may not have done. Anytime you want to debate facts, then we can have a meaningful discussion.

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hakan, A 4inch lift with heavier springs will technically reduce your wheel travel, not increase it. Removing things that may have restricted your current springs (eg shock length) may help in improving the overall arc, but the springs won't. .

OK sate your piont with why

Originally Posted by p76rangie

You still have not come to grips with the fact that your new springs ARE NOT 100MM LONGER. .

Im aware of that ive stated many times free standing they are on with wait they wont be so if you claim there not 4 inch then why are you pushing the engineer report piont

Originally Posted by p76rangie

As already stated, the springs you have will not change the arc. You are swapping out approach and departure angles with roll-over angles. How many times so far has the approach or departure angle of the Disco caused you an issue. .

OK good piont



T

Originally Posted by p76rangie

his is where you get to me. You ask for advice and then ignore it. The advice you got from me on spring weights came from some of the same people that gave your advice on AULRO. So it was'nt different. These guys have been modifying D2's since the day they were released. They were buying brand new D2s (not second hand ones like yourself) and would have them burried in mud up to the door handles a week later. They are now starting to do it with D3s. These guys had to figure out the mods from scratch. They had to design and build their own rock sliders and rear bars as there was nothing available on the market. You had a wealth of knowledge (I was only passing on from others) advising you and you ignore it..

So you have never built a D2 you dont even own one and its second hand info OK where getting some where

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Again, you show how much you know about suspension. You state that Slunnie quoted higher spring rates. Do you think that may have something to do with how the 4 inch lift was obtained and the extra stability that is required due to the increase in height. Where the others were being quoted for a 2 inch lift...

Again as last posted I advised I know nothing about suspension so why state your whole case on this ive taken what info I want and gone of on my own tangent

Originally Posted by p76rangie

I do not claim to be an expert at anything. I listen and learn from others and I try and pass on what I have learned to others. My word is certainly not gospel. I am more than willing to discuss things on a technical basis. If you have ideas on a subject, we can discuss and we will hopefully both walk away with a benefit. What pisses me off is when someone that proves time and time again that they know very little wants to debate things in general terms as they don't know specifics....

thats my piont, I dont want to debate anything

Originally Posted by p76rangie

I was particularly amazed when I saw the D2 guys stuffing 34 inch simexs under their vehicles and I took a bit of interest in that area to find out how it can be done. ....

you havent stated on how it can be done so whats your case

Originally Posted by p76rangie

What I say should stand on its own merits and not based on what I may or may not have done. Anytime you want to debate facts, then we can have a meaningful discussion.

Again I dont want to debate with you I just wanted an aswer on my original topics thats all not a debate not an argument just the topic

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by Roverhound

Give it up 'nit. He's a web wheelin' idiot that's just here for arguments. I don't think he's helped anyone out, just fought with them.

Im done with this fool, its my last post in replying to him, enough is enough if he had stated any better ideas other then to shoot what im trying to do I would of listened but comming across hostle, how am I suppose to respond

his idea of helping isnt what I call helping its insulting, you know the kind its his way or else, lets take info from Bob and pass it to pete and claim im the expert and your not

all he can state is that I dont know suspension which I have never claimed that I do, Im the first to admitt

he hasnt come forward to advise no rovernit I would personly do a 2, 3 inch lift with these spring rates and these shocks lengths open and closed as I can garentee it works and if doesnt there is a money back garentee

he hasnt advised, that there are other problems that may need to be looked at, no just springs

I dont believe he really has an answer and is passing on second hand info

I would have responded well if he advised ok if these are the spring rates you have lets do it this way, but no lets insult people

Yeah im done he still hasnt answered any question that I present so I will not bother as I dont believe he has no answers

yet he can insult me for buying a used D2 yet he hasnt advised if his rides any better rangie I think but dont care

and he wants merit

[p76rangie]

Hakan, For the entire thread, and the one previous, I have been attempting to get one simple and basic point through to you and you cannot even grasp that. Your springs are not 100mm longer than standard free standing. You spring lift is obtained from slightly longer springs and a higher weight rating.

I think most people on this forum know at least that. Try doing at least a little research on what you are doing.

As you cannot crasp this simple point, there is no point in discussing anything else about your suspension set-up.

Good luck with your project.

[RageRover]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Your springs are not 100mm longer than standard free standing. You spring lift is obtained from slightly longer springs and a higher weight rating.

I will agree with ya on this one. Take for instance, my stock springs I pulled off my LWB, yeah they were worn, and all different heights, but sit them next to the lift springs, they are not far off. Yes, the lift springs are slightly taller, but not by 2 exact inches. It is the thickness and weight rating, like you said, that allows for the vehicle to be lifted.

Same goes for SOME other lift springs out there for OTHER vehicles, like my buddy's 01' Dodge 1500 1/2 Ton. The stock springs were shorter than the lift springs by about an inch, and the lift spring were 3" lift springs. The major difference was the weight rating of the coil spring and the visible coil thickness.

Just thought I'd share my two cents.

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by RageRover

I will agree with ya on this one. Take for instance, my stock springs I pulled off my LWB, yeah they were worn, and all different heights, but sit them next to the lift springs, they are not far off. Yes, the lift springs are slightly taller, but not by 2 exact inches. It is the thickness and weight rating, like you said, that allows for the vehicle to be lifted.

Same goes for SOME other lift springs out there for OTHER vehicles, like my buddy's 01' Dodge 1500 1/2 Ton. The stock springs were shorter than the lift springs by about an inch, and the lift spring were 3" lift springs. The major difference was the weight rating of the coil spring and the visible coil thickness.

Just thought I'd share my two cents.

Yeah agree to the piont also, when ordering the springs I was told to state to the manufacturer that the spring I want are to be 100mm over standard and a particular ibs Im also aware that the end result wont even be 100mm from standard as the ibs have a lot to do with how the spring sits

for a while I thought that I was the one of only hand full that actually has done such a lift to a D2 however it seems there a few more then what I first thought in Australia

intrestingly cluding one with air bag version

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

Yeah agree to the piont also, when ordering the springs I was told to state to the manufacturer that the spring I want are to be 100mm over standard and a particular ibs Im also aware that the end result wont even be 100mm from standard as the ibs have a lot to do with how the spring sits

So what are you saying?
Are they going to be 100mm longer plus the lift from the higher rating or that you vehicle is going to sit 100mm higher with the higher rating.

[ROVERNIT]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

So what are you saying?
Are they going to be 100mm longer plus the lift from the higher rating or that you vehicle is going to sit 100mm higher with the higher rating.

Now according to dobinson 4 inch lifted spring must have the rate of at least 240 ibs front and 300 ibs rear I have as stated 220 and 280

you tell me

[p76rangie]

Originally Posted by ROVERNIT

you tell me

You are the one who has placed the order.
Normally with ordering Dobson custom springs you have to tell them a few things. Firstly, the compression rate of the springs that you currently have on. Secondly, the uncompressed and compressed lengths. These, two questions tell them how much weight you currently have on the spring. Thirdly, you will tell them how much lift you want and what springs you want. They will then make up the springs to suit. But as you are about to put a bull bar, etc on your car, you should wait until they are on.
Without knowing the weight of your vehicle, the spring weights that you are suggesting would raise the vehicle by around 2 inches without any extra length. So I would suggest that the springs that you end up with will be about 2 inches longer.