Rover kneeling - Land Rovers Only

billfish · 02-08-2007, 10:08 AM

00' RR.....61k miles. No offroad adventures....couple of mud puddles at the grocery store/wife's ride. Properly maintained. Recent 60k service..month ago.. from the stealer...uh I mean dealer. Actually, it only cost a couple bucks more and they warranty the work longer so anyway....

Noticed the front of the rover was bowing to the garage door gods.....evenly...and after it had sat overnight.... so whatever it is.. is affecting both left and right side. Any ideas from anybody. Is the front independant from the rear? If so then there could be a leak from the compressor? Just wonder if anyone has had this kneeling affect and what it turned out to be.

Thanks guys. Good forum.

Funrover · 02-08-2007, 10:20 AM

If you still have the original airbags on the front that would be my guess.... Either that or a check valve... If the rear is not sagging the compressor still works!

rmuller · 02-08-2007, 11:20 AM

Fill up the airbags, then spray them with a soapy water mixture.. you'll be able to see any leaks bubble out.

billfish · 02-08-2007, 12:09 PM

Thanks guys. They are original. I was thinking valve too since it is not listing on one side but evenly. I don't think the Bentley manual showed a check valve. There's gotta be one I'm sure. I'll try the soapy water approach first to the bags. I guess I was thinking that both bags wouldn't go at the same time

and I would have trouble from one only at first. (Fun Rover..I thought the same thing....The compressor works!) That's why I was wondering if the front is independant of the rear. If so, it may just be a leak in the lines/valves/? supplying the front. I haven't removed the cover to the EAS yet but it is possible that there could be a leak from/off the compressor as well. I can safely "spray" around that and see what I turn up too. If there are no leaks from the bags......what other areas typically turn up as suspects? Thanks a million!

skippy3k · 02-08-2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funrover

If the rear is not sagging the compressor still works!

No. You know the compressor still works if it can pump enough air into the tank to bring up the front. The fact that the rear stays upright over night has nothing to do with the compressor, since the compressor only comes into play when the truck is running.

You either have a leak in each air spring, or a leak in the valve block. Also, if you park on a uneven surface, the truck will constantly try to level itself out...this sometimes causes it to sink down.

For any EAS stuff, check out Rover Renovations (http://www.rover-renovations.com/)

Funrover · 02-08-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy3k

No. You know the compressor still works if it can pump enough air into the tank to bring up the front. The fact that the rear stays upright over night has nothing to do with the compressor, since the compressor only comes into play when the truck is running.

You either have a leak in each air spring, or a leak in the valve block. Also, if you park on a uneven surface, the truck will constantly try to level itself out...this sometimes causes it to sink down.

For any EAS stuff, check out Rover Renovations (http://www.rover-renovations.com/)

Really....weird....... When our comprs. went out the rear wouldn't lift..thanks for the info!

billfish · 02-08-2007, 09:36 PM

Thanks Skippy3K. Well the compressor lifts her up like a charm in the front so it's either the bags or the valve block. I'm suspecting valve block. 2 bags leaking at the same bat time same bat place? Anythings possible Anybody know how to locate/fix a leak in there?

Listen for hissing, lightly wet connections? If it...valve block...is leaking don't you have to depressurize and recalibrate? That's got dealer written all over it unless the local independant has the computer. Not sure on that. Thanks again.

02RhinoRange · 02-09-2007, 06:46 AM

If you really think it's the valve block, I strongly suggest replacing the o-rings inside it. It will only cost you $20 and couple hours of your time.
Compared to what the stealer will charge you, it's your best bet. If it doesn't work you're only out $20. And if that doesn't work, start look'n for used air bags... Or you could buy new. I had your same prob, replaced the o-rings, it was fixed for about a week, then the problem resurfaced.
I replaced my front passenger air spring and all is well and has been for months now. Here's the o-ring link:
https://secure5.nexternal.com/shared...t=products.asp

skippy3k · 02-09-2007, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funrover

Really....weird....... When our comprs. went out the rear wouldn't lift..thanks for the info!

The compressor just pumps air into the tank which then supplies the air to the air springs, and only when the truck is running. If you have no air, then the compressor may not be working and nothing will lift. But if something lifts, then the compressor is most likely doing it's job.

billfish · 02-09-2007, 06:35 PM

Thanks for the link Rhino. I emailed them yesterday. Waiting for response. I'm going to sniff around the rover this wknd and see what I turn up. If I find anything I'll post it up.

billfish · 02-11-2007, 09:28 PM

FYI........soaped up all the air bags and va;ve body lines I could get to......no leaks. Took her out on the road today and 3 miles down the road....voila!...EAS fault!!! Would have made Las Vegas proud! She rode even until I backed in the gargage and then nose dived. I shut her down and waited a bit then restarted. She pumped up and I let it down. That's where she sits. Anybody got any thoughts? I'll call the local european mechanic to see if he has testbook tomorrow. If not.........it's a trip to the stealer....uh I mean dealer. God help me. I don't think it's the air bags. Gotta be a leak from the valve body? Waiting on an email from an expert in rover EAS. Until then I guess I'll be driving slow. I hit the inhibit switch for luck. Not sure what that does but modify the EAS level? Input appreciated.

Fish'

Jam Jar · 02-23-2007, 06:46 PM

Hey Billfish, I feel for you mate..
I spent a great deal of time arsing around trying to find answers on forums when I had EXACTLY the same thing happen to me last year(same model/milage & year RR).I have to tell you: REPLACE THE AIRBAGS! you can get them for $150 a piece at Arnott Industries, and they are a piece of cake to install. look up rangerovers.net for install photos. Good luck mate!

02-08-2007, 10:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
billfish Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11 Gallery: 0	Rover kneeling 00' RR.....61k miles. No offroad adventures....couple of mud puddles at the grocery store/wife's ride. Properly maintained. Recent 60k service..month ago.. from the stealer...uh I mean dealer. Actually, it only cost a couple bucks more and they warranty the work longer so anyway.... Noticed the front of the rover was bowing to the garage door gods.....evenly...and after it had sat overnight.... so whatever it is.. is affecting both left and right side. Any ideas from anybody. Is the front independant from the rear? If so then there could be a leak from the compressor? Just wonder if anyone has had this kneeling affect and what it turned out to be. Thanks guys. Good forum.

02-08-2007, 11:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
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02RhinoRange Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville,TN and Chattanooga/Dayton/Knoxville for play.... Posts: 163 Gallery: 0	If you really think it's the valve block, I strongly suggest replacing the o-rings inside it. It will only cost you $20 and couple hours of your time. Compared to what the stealer will charge you, it's your best bet. If it doesn't work you're only out $20. And if that doesn't work, start look'n for used air bags... Or you could buy new. I had your same prob, replaced the o-rings, it was fixed for about a week, then the problem resurfaced. I replaced my front passenger air spring and all is well and has been for months now. Here's the o-ring link: https://secure5.nexternal.com/shared...t=products.asp __________________ '02 Range Rover Rhino ed. Warn XD9000 w/ factory winch tray RockRover diff guard, RockRover sliders Safety Devices roof rack 255/70R16 Pirelli Scorpion ATs on 16" DII alloys 255/55R18 Nitto 420S on 18" Proline wheels '95 RRC LWB County Coil conversion w/ OME shocks, AB springs

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02-08-2007, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
billfish Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11 Gallery: 0	Thanks guys. They are original. I was thinking valve too since it is not listing on one side but evenly. I don't think the Bentley manual showed a check valve. There's gotta be one I'm sure. I'll try the soapy water approach first to the bags. I guess I was thinking that both bags wouldn't go at the same time and I would have trouble from one only at first. (Fun Rover..I thought the same thing....The compressor works!) That's why I was wondering if the front is independant of the rear. If so, it may just be a leak in the lines/valves/? supplying the front. I haven't removed the cover to the EAS yet but it is possible that there could be a leak from/off the compressor as well. I can safely "spray" around that and see what I turn up too. If there are no leaks from the bags......what other areas typically turn up as suspects? Thanks a million!

02-08-2007, 09:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
billfish Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11 Gallery: 0	Thanks Skippy3K. Well the compressor lifts her up like a charm in the front so it's either the bags or the valve block. I'm suspecting valve block. 2 bags leaking at the same bat time same bat place? Anythings possible Anybody know how to locate/fix a leak in there? Listen for hissing, lightly wet connections? If it...valve block...is leaking don't you have to depressurize and recalibrate? That's got dealer written all over it unless the local independant has the computer. Not sure on that. Thanks again.

02-09-2007, 06:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
billfish Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11 Gallery: 0	Thanks for the link Rhino. I emailed them yesterday. Waiting for response. I'm going to sniff around the rover this wknd and see what I turn up. If I find anything I'll post it up.

02-11-2007, 09:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
billfish Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11 Gallery: 0	FYI........soaped up all the air bags and va;ve body lines I could get to......no leaks. Took her out on the road today and 3 miles down the road....voila!...EAS fault!!! Would have made Las Vegas proud! She rode even until I backed in the gargage and then nose dived. I shut her down and waited a bit then restarted. She pumped up and I let it down. That's where she sits. Anybody got any thoughts? I'll call the local european mechanic to see if he has testbook tomorrow. If not.........it's a trip to the stealer....uh I mean dealer. God help me. I don't think it's the air bags. Gotta be a leak from the valve body? Waiting on an email from an expert in rover EAS. Until then I guess I'll be driving slow. I hit the inhibit switch for luck. Not sure what that does but modify the EAS level? Input appreciated. Fish'

02-23-2007, 06:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jam Jar Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: MN Posts: 1 Gallery: 0	Hey Billfish, I feel for you mate.. I spent a great deal of time arsing around trying to find answers on forums when I had EXACTLY the same thing happen to me last year(same model/milage & year RR).I have to tell you: REPLACE THE AIRBAGS! you can get them for $150 a piece at Arnott Industries, and they are a piece of cake to install. look up rangerovers.net for install photos. Good luck mate!

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