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Old 07-12-2009, 05:33 AM   #31 (permalink)
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A non-airbag bumper might cause the airbags to deploy a little sooner than otherwise. However, if the airbags are set to deploy at 25mph, but your non-airbag bumper would cause them to deploy at 23mph, but you hit something at 30mph and the insurance company refused to pay out, I'd sure as hell make them show cause for denying a claim.
Not that I care that much anyway, since I never carry collision on my policy.
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A non-airbag bumper might cause the airbags to deploy a little sooner than otherwise. However, if the airbags are set to deploy at 25mph, but your non-airbag bumper would cause them to deploy at 23mph, but you hit something at 30mph and the insurance company refused to pay out, I'd sure as hell make them show cause for denying a claim.
Not that I care that much anyway, since I never carry collision on my policy.
I think we had this discussion before. The airbags are controllled by accelerometers, the crush cans are there for shitty 5 mph protection.
4" of crush can won't effect the deceleration of a 5000 lb truck.
Here's some good info here.
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:56 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Here is my suggestion, they are new, look very strong and the price is right.

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I think I just spit up some in my mouth. Not that I can talk much, since the one I built for my Disco is pretty ugly too, but then I don't really care much about looks, just function.

In any case, yeah, that center section will definitely affect approach angle. Not only is it lower than the rest of the bumper, it extends further forward so it will detract from it even more.
The truck D-rings on it for recovery points are mounted at an angle and, while they look to be about 7.5t WLL version, will, in most cases, be trying to pivot sideways when under load. When under full load with a double line pull, or worse, during a kinetic recovery, I'll be surprised if the 3/16" wall of the bumper doesn't deform from the twisting motion.
On the other hand, they only cost $550 (600 if you want it painted).
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:22 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I think I just spit up some in my mouth. Not that I can talk much, since the one I built for my Disco is pretty ugly too, but then I don't really care much about looks, just function.

In any case, yeah, that center section will definitely affect approach angle. Not only is it lower than the rest of the bumper, it extends further forward so it will detract from it even more.
The truck D-rings on it for recovery points are mounted at an angle and, while they look to be about 7.5t WLL version, will, in most cases, be trying to pivot sideways when under load. When under full load with a double line pull, or worse, during a kinetic recovery, I'll be surprised if the 3/16" wall of the bumper doesn't deform from the twisting motion.
On the other hand, they only cost $550 (600 if you want it painted).
Yeah, the winch tray sticks out like Jay Leno's chin.
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As you can see below, your back bumper will bottom out well before the front on any approach. We do also offer a slimmer version of the exact bumper which reduces center tray depth from 9.5 inches to 7 inches.



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Good information thru the use of pictures, I like your bumpers, although I like mine better, only cause it was mad by me and a friend.
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You guy's just take a look at hard labor creek fabrication website this might be the best front end protection I've ever seen. It may remind you of ARB but, the approach angles are fantastic!! and you don't have to cut your grill out to place a large winch...
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You guy's just take a look at hard labor creek fabrication website this might be the best front end protection I've ever seen. It may remind you of ARB but, the approach angles are fantastic!! and you don't have to cut your grill out to place a large winch...
i second this. denny and stu's bumpers are great. they are also standup guys and good to do business with or bullshit around a campfire.

my vote is rovertym or HLC.
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You guy's just take a look at hard labor creek fabrication website this might be the best front end protection I've ever seen. It may remind you of ARB but, the approach angles are fantastic!! and you don't have to cut your grill out to place a large winch...
So how much front end protection have you seen?
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So how much front end protection have you seen?
What does that even mean?
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What does that even mean?
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What does that even mean?
You speaky the English?
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That's funny!!! I got rearended at a Post Office parking lot by a 05 Nissan Quest. Probably 5mph it cracked my rear bumper and busted my left turn signal. The Nissan will need a bumper, left headlight and fender.
I just replaced my turn signal assy and left the bumper alone. Fastest $1k I ever made....lol
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Good pics, I like that bumper, I would say it is the best option next to RoverTym! I never thought I'd see a bumper to contend with RoverTym, any pics of your slim one? 1 thing I really like about my RoverTym bumper is how thick the metal used is
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As you can see below, your back bumper will bottom out well before the front on any approach.
On that particular incline. Only a moments thought is needed to recognize there are others where it would impact approach angle where the rear end wouldn't drag.
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