Engine knocking...recent repair - Land Rovers Only

zoomblur · 04-25-2006, 07:16 PM

I recently had what I guess was major open heart surgery on my 2001 Disco II...warped head gaskets causing coolant leak. Had everything done by non-dealer, but Land Rover specialty shop, so I trust their work. However, in the three weeks since the work I've noticed two new issues. First, and less minor, the cruise control doesn't hold speed. It comes on and then slowly loses speed. Second, and more irritating, is a knocking noise in the engine, like the clicking sound the engine makes before it's warm, or when the oil needs changing. However, the sound persists long after the engine is warm. Strangely it seems to stop when I reach a speed around 60mph, but it could be that the engine noise at that speed drowns it out. I've also wondered if it could be an exhaust leak, making the rapid loud puff sound, but similar to a click.

I can take the Disco back to the shop, but before I start asking for a free follow up exam, I wanted to see if someone could tell me if these issues could have been unknowingly caused by the mechanic.

Thanks!

Muddy Oval · 04-25-2006, 07:38 PM

Cruise control is a vac problem- but the DII often has a little quirk where the vaccuum line to the vac reservoir leaks. Can often be fixed with a zip-tie. Check for something like that first. As for the noise- It could very well be an exhaust leak since they had it apart. Sometimes when I suspect and exhaust leak, I run top-end cleaner in the engine and watch for smoke out the exhaust gaskets. The top end cleaner is a good thing for the engine and it reveals leaking exhaust easily.

zoomblur · 04-25-2006, 07:44 PM

Thanks, Muddy. Can you tell me where to find the location to zip tie for the vac? Also, what is top end cleaner? Do you mean something like fuel injector cleaner? Do I look for smoke under the hood or under the vehicle on the pipe itself?

Disco Mike · 04-26-2006, 06:12 AM

I would get the truck back to the shop, yesterday, to have the noise addressed especially if it is internal. To protect yourself you should always let a shop know if you have a problem after a repair if you expect them to take responsibility for fixing it.
As for the cruise control, they probably cracked a vaccum line when moving them as part of doing your head gaskets.
Mike

Muddy Oval · 04-26-2006, 07:04 AM

I would suggest having the SHOP to the top end cleaner- it's not the same as fuel injection cleaner (which shouldn't be used in DII's unless it's L.R. approved).

zoomblur · 04-26-2006, 07:30 PM

Thanks for the advice. I called the Rover shop today and they wish to fully stand behind their work, and asked me to bring my Disco in to have a look. His guess is that a manifold has ruptured or cracked which is causing the clicking or puffing sound. He agreed that it's likely that the one they put on could have failed. Also, he agreed, although to a smaller degree, that the cruise vac could have been damaged. Nonetheless, he wants to make sure it's fixed if they damaged it. He said that on older Disco I models it would have been more likely due to the complexity of the cruise assembly, and said that it's not as easy to damage the cruise components on Disco II's. I will follow up with results.

Disco Mike · 04-27-2006, 06:52 AM

Good luck
Mike

04-25-2006, 07:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
zoomblur Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 27 Gallery: 0	Engine knocking...recent repair I recently had what I guess was major open heart surgery on my 2001 Disco II...warped head gaskets causing coolant leak. Had everything done by non-dealer, but Land Rover specialty shop, so I trust their work. However, in the three weeks since the work I've noticed two new issues. First, and less minor, the cruise control doesn't hold speed. It comes on and then slowly loses speed. Second, and more irritating, is a knocking noise in the engine, like the clicking sound the engine makes before it's warm, or when the oil needs changing. However, the sound persists long after the engine is warm. Strangely it seems to stop when I reach a speed around 60mph, but it could be that the engine noise at that speed drowns it out. I've also wondered if it could be an exhaust leak, making the rapid loud puff sound, but similar to a click. I can take the Disco back to the shop, but before I start asking for a free follow up exam, I wanted to see if someone could tell me if these issues could have been unknowingly caused by the mechanic. Thanks!

04-25-2006, 07:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Muddy Oval Otherwise known as STEVE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,968 Gallery: 0	Cruise control is a vac problem- but the DII often has a little quirk where the vaccuum line to the vac reservoir leaks. Can often be fixed with a zip-tie. Check for something like that first. As for the noise- It could very well be an exhaust leak since they had it apart. Sometimes when I suspect and exhaust leak, I run top-end cleaner in the engine and watch for smoke out the exhaust gaskets. The top end cleaner is a good thing for the engine and it reveals leaking exhaust easily. __________________ 2002 Freelander 2000 DII w/CDL 1967 SIIA 109SW Former Rovers 2004 Modded "S" Disco, R.I.P. 2004 G4 Disco 2002 Modded Freelander 1995 Modded Disco 1994 D-90 #8 1993 NAS D110 1990 Range Rover County 1973 SIII 88 1972 Range Rover 2 door

04-26-2006, 07:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Muddy Oval Otherwise known as STEVE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,968 Gallery: 0	I would suggest having the SHOP to the top end cleaner- it's not the same as fuel injection cleaner (which shouldn't be used in DII's unless it's L.R. approved). __________________ 2002 Freelander 2000 DII w/CDL 1967 SIIA 109SW Former Rovers 2004 Modded "S" Disco, R.I.P. 2004 G4 Disco 2002 Modded Freelander 1995 Modded Disco 1994 D-90 #8 1993 NAS D110 1990 Range Rover County 1973 SIII 88 1972 Range Rover 2 door

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04-25-2006, 07:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
zoomblur Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 27 Gallery: 0	Thanks, Muddy. Can you tell me where to find the location to zip tie for the vac? Also, what is top end cleaner? Do you mean something like fuel injector cleaner? Do I look for smoke under the hood or under the vehicle on the pipe itself?

04-26-2006, 06:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Disco Mike Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 5,447 Gallery: 0	I would get the truck back to the shop, yesterday, to have the noise addressed especially if it is internal. To protect yourself you should always let a shop know if you have a problem after a repair if you expect them to take responsibility for fixing it. As for the cruise control, they probably cracked a vaccum line when moving them as part of doing your head gaskets. Mike

04-26-2006, 07:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
zoomblur Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 27 Gallery: 0	Thanks for the advice. I called the Rover shop today and they wish to fully stand behind their work, and asked me to bring my Disco in to have a look. His guess is that a manifold has ruptured or cracked which is causing the clicking or puffing sound. He agreed that it's likely that the one they put on could have failed. Also, he agreed, although to a smaller degree, that the cruise vac could have been damaged. Nonetheless, he wants to make sure it's fixed if they damaged it. He said that on older Disco I models it would have been more likely due to the complexity of the cruise assembly, and said that it's not as easy to damage the cruise components on Disco II's. I will follow up with results.

04-27-2006, 06:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Disco Mike Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 5,447 Gallery: 0	Good luck Mike

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