Valvoline Syn Power

[wimp]

What is the story with Valvoline Syn Power brake and power steering fluids being pulled off the shelves? Anyone out ther using these products in their rover finding the same problem? I think Disco Mike uses these. Any comment? What is Valvoline's replacement for these items. I went to Napa and AutoZone!

[Elemental]

The Brake Fluid Doesn't meet Rover Spec.

Atlantic British tellimg me brake fluid HAS to be Castrol? - DiscoWeb Message Boards

Of course, as you will see...Often a spec means nothing compared to hype in Land Rover World.

[helievacpilot]

I've noticed the same thing in my area. Becoming very difficult to find the Synpower fluids anywhere. As far as compatibility, I have used both in my DII's per Disco Mike's advice and have had no problems. The book say's dot4, not Castrol dot4. Atlantic British is the only place I've seen that say's you should only use Castrol. In doing some research, I hear this more an issue with the series rovers?
- Bill

[Elemental]

Synpower is 30 degree C less boiling point then Rover Spec.

Thus, doesn't meet spec.

[Disco Mike]

Just to clear up the quality issue, here is a chart showing the comparisons between different fluids, compare the LMA to Vavoline's synthetic, Vavoline is rated higher.
Mike


Fluid Dry BP Wet BP Est. BP after 6 months US $/oz US $/oz per °F > DOT4
Dry Wet
Castrol SRF 590 518 554 $2.076 $.0144 $.0100
NEO Super DOT 585 421 503 0.983 .0071 .0089
Motul Racing 600 585 421 503 0.712 .0051 .0065
Motul DOT 5.1 509 365 437 0.675 .0107 .0125
ATE Type 200/ATE Super Blue 536 392 464 0.295 .0033 .0036
Valvoline High Perf Synpower 503 343 423 0.16 .0023 .0073
ATE SL 500 329 415
Castrol LMA 450 311 381 0.219 .0547 n/a
Gunk DOT 4 Brake Fluid 510 311 411 0.16 .0024

DOT 5 Spec 500 346 423 n/a n/a n/a
DOT 4 Spec 446 311 379 n/a n/a n/a
DOT 3 Spec 401 284 343 n/a n/a n/a

I just realized the column lines didn't show up so the first 3 sets of numbers represent the different heat ranges and the results for each, the higher the number the better.

[Elemental]

Where di dyou get this information from?

Castrol and Valvoline have Product information Sheets on their website indicating that Valvoline falls 36 Degrees short, Castrol LMA falls 1 degree short..

Also, Castrol is listed on the list of fluid that Rover Oks for their products, valvoline is not on that list.

Did you read the link I provided? My bet, would be no.

At least read this one.

DiscoWeb Message Boards - View Single Post - Atlantic British tellimg me brake fluid HAS to be Castrol?

Edit... Edit. DOT 4 spec is 36 degrees less then Rover..Valvoline is 6 degrees...I misspoke.

[Disco Mike]

A couple of answers for you, first of all I did read your attached link, found it to be quite interesting that many people have used Vavoline for years and have never had a problem, actually reading down the first 2 pages it was about a 50/50 split.

As for you second question, here is a link, not from either of the manufactures, which I would tend to believe, http://www.swedishbricks.net/700900F...Comparison.htm

Mike

[Elemental]

So, the car didnt explode, or have a instant problem so, there isnt one. It may or may not work. Of course, all those ABS problems couldnt possibly be caused by fluid "sub" quality.

Rover ASKS for a 500 Degree Dot 4. Dot 4, to meet Dot 4 spec can boil at temps 36 degrees less.

What is your measuremnt of a correct fluid? If it doesnt meet the specs of the car you are putting it in, is it not the wrong fluid for that car?

And, why would you NOT believe the manufacture of a fluid? Why would you beleive some random article over it?

PLEASE tell me you did not think like this when you took money from people to repair their cars.

[Disco Mike]

Well it is good to see you haven't lost your one sided spunky attitude.

What is my measurement of a correct fluid, any thing that is equal to or better then what is recommended.

I think you question of why I WOULD NOT believe a manufacturer of Oil products is pretty interesting. I believe most manufacture supplied information, up to as point and as with all products on the market, there can be some questionable or hard to understand or one sided specs, so when I can find a comparison of many fluids, done by an auto manufacturer, then I feel it may not be so one sided.

So back to your statement, do you have any reason to doubt, based on this comparison, that the Vavoline test results appear to be better then the LMA fluid?

Maybe we should agree that they are at least similar in quality.

Oh, and I am curious why you like to remind me that I made good money while working in the automotive industry, aren't you???????????

Mike

[wimp]

not to be a pain in the butt, but it sounds like Castrol does not meet spec either. What does Rover want us to put in???

back to my original question...
anyone know why Valv Syn products are disappearing?

thanks

[Elemental]

Originally Posted by Disco Mike

Well it is good to see you haven't lost your one sided spunky attitude.

There is right, and there is wrong. There is not grey area in Fluid Science.

What is my measurement of a correct fluid, any thing that is equal to or better then what is recommended.

Ok... valvoline is 6 degrees C short. Thus, not equal to spec.

I think you question of why I WOULD NOT believe a manufacturer of Oil products is pretty interesting. I believe most manufacture supplied information, up to as point and as with all products on the market, there can be some questionable or hard to understand or one sided specs, so when I can find a comparison of many fluids, done by an auto manufacturer, then I feel it may not be so one sided.

The manufactures are breaking the law if they lie on their spec sheet. The specs arent hard to understand. They are describing the product. All it takes is a little research which frankly, most people are jsut too lazy to do.

So back to your statement, do you have any reason to doubt, based on this comparison, that the Vavoline test results appear to be better then the LMA fluid?

Yes, I do.
I dotn know the author. I dont know the test proceedure he used, or where he got his info. All I know is he made a pretty chart.... So what? Want me to make you one?

Maybe we should agree that they are at least similar in quality.

I will conceed it exceeds the minimum spcs for DOT 4, however it does fall short of Rovers spec.

Oh, and I am curious why you like to remind me that I made good money while working in the automotive industry, aren't you???????????
Mike

Because, someone who took money to perform a service and doesnt do the research involved to give the best service possible offends and disgusts me, and frankly makes the entire trade look bad. From your posts, I dont htink you used the proper parts/fluids/etc in a effort to "Save your customer money."
Does it save them money if the wrong oil grinds away the cam?
Does it save money if the brake fluid boils too soon and causes ABS problems.
Does it save money to use cheap spark plugs and have misfires shortly after?

And on and on......

Performing a correct repair means not only installing the aprt correctly, but having a understanding of the system you are working on for a proper diagnosis, and using the right quality parts, not just what fits or is easy to get or cheap. That involves research, and you are not alone in not having done that, sadly.

[Elemental]

Castrol is 1 degree less, and indentified by name from Rover for use intheir vehicles.

Why is it going away? Who cares..... use the Rover Recommended fluid. No biggie.