LR3 for Overland Travel

[ArmyRover]

Antichrist I'm noticing that word seems to be hard as hell to grasp for them.

[hiserote]

I'm not saying Moab is an expedition. But I would believe the LR3 to be more suited to an expedition style of four wheel driving than to be climbing up and down rocks in moab where the departure and approach angles of the LR3 don't work well with the terrain. however, I would think if I spent three strait weeks on the trails in moab and only being on the trails there. I would offer a 90%+ chance of something breaking no matter the rig. And to some ones other point. Most military trucks use air bag suspension.


85' Toyota 4runner
95' toyota Land Cruiser
04' jeep wrangler Rubicon
06' LR3 <-----(so far my favorite)

[antichrist]

I give up. Hopefully at least the OP understands.

[HOUM_WA]

Funny...you're giving up and I'm ready to concede the point.

Today we went out on a trail run locally. There was my LR3, a few RRCs, a Few Discos (ones and twos), one Defender and one modern RR (L322, I think '05 or '07).

Long story short, the L322 had an electronic meltdown. It lost its suspension and then, eventually, the engine would not start. After a few "re-boots" the owner at least got power back and some suspension use and hi-tailed it out of there.

If this had been an expedition the rig would've been left for dead. You guys were right; for a long expedition simpler is better.

I still disagree on one of the "sub-points" you were trying to make about the electronic "aids" being needed to get to certain places....I turned HDC off most of the day. Traction control is nice, but with the rear locker it hardly ever engages.

In a sidenote the LR3 performed brilliantly. That rig never ceases to amaze me; but it's my first Rover so really it's just the make in general amazing me.

[ArmyRover]

Originally Posted by hiserote

Most military trucks use air bag suspension.

M998 nope coil springs (hummer)
LMTV nope leaf springs
Deuce nope leaf springs
5 ton nope leaf springs
I have to double check the hemmit on Monday at the motor pool but I think its torsion bar suspension. That's the bulk of the everyday vehicles we use and not a air bag among them.

The approach and departure angles that you say aren't great for moab would also be problems on a expedition as well.

So I'll say it one more time lol the LR3 is a good rig no doubts but it's not the rig for the job of a expedition. It just has to many limitations on modding and repairs for it as currently built to be a viable option.

[HOUM_WA]

...and I will agree with that.

It is one kick-ass weekend trail rig, but I would not want to be stuck with crippling electrical faults in the middle of nowhere one week into an expedition.

[Rovin4life]

outside of solid fixed axles and the engine management systems not alot difference if you take out the terrain response and air suspension. Well its a little switch instead of a manual adjustment for the tc case.

But the vehicle is highly sensitive to battery voltage, leave the lights on or have a bad battery and you loose certain things when you start up or sometimes they wont function right.

[antichrist]

I came across these videos to illustrate one aspect of my point. I don't think an LR3 would fare too well. At least Iwouldn't have the guts to try it on an expedition in an LR3.
YouTube - land rover defender 90 Deep water crossing
YouTube - 4X4 OFF ROAD (ON THE RIVER) - LAND ROVER SUBMARINO 01

[HOUM_WA]

...would you try it in a DII ?

[ArmyRover]

Houm who are you kidding without a diesel and a snorkel I wouldn't even try that in my RRC. I think I'm sitting up higher than either of those defenders but that looked pretty damn deep to me.

[HOUM_WA]

I don't think I'd try it at all! Maybe in a Mil-spec HUMVEE! It looks pretty crazy to do in a rig that I expect to drive afterwards!

[ArmyRover]

if my RRC was a diesel and had a snorkle I'd give it a go.

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by HOUM_WA

...would you try it in a DII ?

Nope, nor in my D1. My Air Portable, before I converted to diesel, had available a kit that allows complete submerging. Now that it's a diesel all it needs is a snorkel.

[sideview]

Originally Posted by antichrist

I came across these videos to illustrate one aspect of my point. I don't think an LR3 would fare too well. At least Iwouldn't have the guts to try it on an expedition in an LR3.
YouTube - land rover defender 90 Deep water crossing
YouTube - 4X4 OFF ROAD (ON THE RIVER) - LAND ROVER SUBMARINO 01

Yup I'd do it!

All I need now is the money, the diesel, and the balls

D3 Swimming

[antichrist]

Originally Posted by sideview

Yup I'd do it!

All I need now is the money, the diesel, and the balls

D3 Swimming

Where's the rest of the video?
I want to see them as deep as the two I posted.