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Old 02-16-2012, 10:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default ZF 6HP26 Automatic Transmission Metal Pan with Filter

I have about 70K miles on my LR3 SE and after reading all the posts regarding the transmission, I have decided to do a fluid change. However, would anyone know a ZF indy shop in Southern California preferably in Orange County? I would like to change to Metal Pan and filter if DIY or if it's done by a shop.
I have seen a video on youtube for a pan change out on a jaguar which has the same transmission layout and it seemed not a major task as long as the necessary tools are available. If I've read the post correctly at some point one needs to lift the transmission/engine? to get access to the fill plug. Is that a major task?
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated and thanks in advanced!
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The right side of the engine does need to be lifted 1.38 inches according the the workshop manual. This is in order for the tranny pan to clear the crossmember to be removed.


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. If I've read the post correctly at some point one needs to lift the transmission/engine? to get access to the fill plug. Is that a major task?
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated and thanks in advanced!
If one was just replacing the tranny oil, it would not be necessary to lift the engine. The engine lift requirement results from a desire to remove the plastic pan/filter combo. The filter portion includes a vertical plastic pipe that feeds oil back up into the tranny. The vertical length of the pipe precludes sliding the pan out without the engine lift.

In Australia, where the guys are installing a metal pan for the first time, they "saw" off the plastic pipe during the dropping procedure and then remove the pipe separately after the plastic pan has been removed.

Then a new separate ZF oil filter is installed and the new ZF metal pan is slid in without the necessity of the engine lift.



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I send the suggestion for installation by bbyer and cnfowler. That is how I fitted mine, there is no need for lifting.

I am working on sourcing the pan at significantly reduced pricing.
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...I am working on sourcing the pan at significantly reduced pricing.
I am interested to know what you find out. I've done quite a bit of searching for the metal pan, but haven't had a bunch of luck. I found one on eBay's UK site, but that's it. I've used the ZF part number and still no luck searching Google.


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We just do the bg transmission flush, does all the fluid, not just whats in the pan and its cheaper and lasts longer. plus you dont have to pull the pan, just pull one hose off the radiator and hook up the machine, then run the vehicle and all the fluid is changed. any other way is a waste of time.
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We just do the bg transmission flush, does all the fluid, not just whats in the pan and its cheaper and lasts longer. plus you dont have to pull the pan, just pull one hose off the radiator and hook up the machine, then run the vehicle and all the fluid is changed. any other way is a waste of time.
What about changing the filter? What are your opinions on that?


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Default The filter - does it matter?

I am one of those guys who thinks that doing an engine oil change and not installing a new oil filter just shortcuts the purpose of the process. I see the goal as removing contaminants from the engine rather than from the oil and then storing them in a filter. In the case of an engine oil filter, a filter change is cheap and easy.

This whole business of flushing trannies I just do not understand. It lends itself very well to near fool proof tranny oil changes but it is not clear to me that the goal is achieved - that is removal of contaminants from the tranny.

If you believe ZF, the 6HP26X is supposed to have some sort of exotic oil poured back in. While the formulation is secret, I gather it must contain stardust as it it priced that way. Regardless, it is not clear to me that all the oil you end up with in the flushing process is the stardust oil and not oil from the previous tranny that was flushed.

Also removal of the pan allows one to look at the two magnets and see what is sticking to them. The consistency of the paste or size of the chunks that adhere to the magnets gives you a clue to what is going on with the hard parts.

Also the oil you drain out you can look at and you know where it came from. The colour, taste, feel and smell of what comes out tells a story.

Once you have gone to the effort of pulling the pan, a new filter is of course a given. That is why the metal pan option has great value. It makes pulling the pan more Chevrolet like and less German.

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your way only changes some of the fluid. at the same time the new fluid mixes with the old and doesn't do as good as a job. The entire fluid fluid flush bypasses the filter especially since they don't need changing. Don't believe me, the original disco twos only needed the filter changed once at 30k after that you didn't need it till 150k. These newer trannies don't need a fluid flush till 150 but its wiser to do earlier. Plus its easier on your wallet and your time to do the flush. Its a hour out of your time at any place that services them. not just a dealer. Don't believe me check out bgfindashop.com in your area. You will be surprised the fluid they use in the big box works for newer transmissions and is cheaper then LR fluid.

plus you have to jack the transfer case up to remove the cover and then you have to fill up the side in a very small hole. not easy especially on your back.
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Parts you need for the metal pan conversion

> Item ZF part#
> Steel pan 1068 203 042
> Gasket 1068 303 017
> Filter 0501 213 359
> Pan screws 0736 010 347 requires 21 screws

You can contact Erikson Industries in Saybrook CT, 800-388-4418 to have the parts order from Germany for you...
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