Ok I'm not a complete idiot, but im trying to replace the front brake pads on my 94 Discovery, and I cant even get the lugnuts loose to remove the front tires. Is there some trick here I do not know? Any help would be appreciated, I couldn't find anything in the Hayne repair manual. Thanks in advance.
is the tires on the ground or have you lifted it? if you've lifted it, drop it back down, put parking brake and then go to town on it. Hope you're not using the crappy tire iron that came with it. if you are, go out and get a 1/2 breaker bar and try that. if still no good, put a pipe to get more leverage. also standing on it and jumping up and down helps
good luck
sam
Sam's right, I dont even know why Land Rover even puts that wimpy Iron in there. It won't even stay on the lug, it slides off. I haven't seen the tools on the D2s or the newer models yet but I hope they changed that! It doesn't help at all when you take your truck to a shop and they put the lugs back on with those damn airimpact guns
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1996 Discovery SE - The Blue Marlin
1965 Series IIa 109 RHD 2.25L Dsl - Wilks
1965 Series IIa 88' LHD 2.25L Petrol - Fionna
I have never had any trouble getting the big lugs off my RRC with the factory wrench, (ok, you have to put a lot into it) but the 4.0! It has thin aluminum covers over the same huge lugs--and the wrench is the same exact thing! You have to use a hammer and pound the wrench until its on, and then they don't turn! So I have a breaker bar, and I have yanked it so hard the wheel itself (sitting on the ground) has actually turned a little and the lug not broken free!! It really shouldn't take 20 minutes to get the lugs off one wheel. How is an older, or smaller, or not superstrong person going to change a tire on the side of the road?
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2005 Land Rover LR3 V8 SE w/ factory winch
1992 Land Rover Range Rover County
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1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Wagon
2002 Volkswagen Eurovan GLS
1996 Ford Explorer LTD 2WD
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2000 Land Rover Discovery II SD
1995 Range Rover 4.0SE (see avatar, driving during local flood)
1992 Land Rover Range Rover County
I have never had any trouble getting the big lugs off my RRC with the factory wrench, (ok, you have to put a lot into it) but the 4.0! It has thin aluminum covers over the same huge lugs--and the wrench is the same exact thing! You have to use a hammer and pound the wrench until its on, and then they don't turn! So I have a breaker bar, and I have yanked it so hard the wheel itself (sitting on the ground) has actually turned a little and the lug not broken free!! It really shouldn't take 20 minutes to get the lugs off one wheel. How is an older, or smaller, or not superstrong person going to change a tire on the side of the road?
No doubt... I'm having real trouble getting the plastic lug nut covers off to do a break job. I'm afraid of destroying the lug not covers in the process... But what to do? When I put a breaker bar on it... The whole darn truck moves forward! Is there a tool that removes this lugnut cover? Or do I just keep torquing on the lug nut covers? Please help - We're without transportation until I fix the brakes.
You don't remove the lug nut covers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have a shop manual?
Are you needing to replace the rotors?
Have you ever done brakes on a 4X4?
Mike
Ok I'm not a complete idiot, but im trying to replace the front brake pads on my 94 Discovery, and I cant even get the lugnuts loose to remove the front tires. Is there some trick here I do not know? Any help would be appreciated, I couldn't find anything in the Hayne repair manual. Thanks in advance.
You're no idiot. I've had the same issue. The way these lug nuts are sesigned makes it easy to overtighten them the last time the wheels were off. Make sure you use an impact gun with plenty of air pressure to remove them. If a breaker bar works - good for you! I had no such luck, even with a cheater pipe. The impact was the only way to go after soaking the lug nuts in some WD-40. Funny thing is, the wheels were off the vehicle about 6 months ago when a commercial garage put new tires on the wheels. Leave it to a shop to overtighten them.
Not an idiot,
OK, I am a pretty decent wrencher/gear head/mechanic. 200lb/In Shape - know about extenders, cheater pipes, impacts, heat and other ways to break loose a frozen nut or bolt.
This crap with the lug nuts is one of many reasons to never own a Discovery.
There is simple NO WAY a "typical owner" changes a tire on a road side. Right,,,”Just get the 3/4 Air hammer out of the back, run the pressure on the 100 gallon tank to 120' and let er rip!!! Screw the damn nut covers! Those bastards are getting mauled.”
And all this to replace a fuel filter, WTF guys? Did someone actually think when they selected the materials and the design?
If I EVER get these damn things off I will cover both bolt and threads with "Never-Seize" and see how that works. Right,,, One is changing a tire in the field??? Right come on over Mr. Land Rover Dude and let’s see you do it with common hand tools. I will even allow you to use the 3/4 Drive set. Remember to bring your lunch and eat your Wheaties.
Wife past owner of 97 Discovery.
Sister current owner of 97 Discovery.
If you can't handle a good lug wrench while trying to remove our wheels, torqued to 105 foot pounds, then yeh, you shouldn't own one.
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Retired service manager, member of Solihull Society, SCLR, NCLR and the Santa Barbara 4Wheelers clubs.
99 D2, 3" lift, CDL with Detroit,T.T. lockers, 4:11's,H.D. axles, custom ft/rear bumpers with sliders, a 9500 HSI Warn winch and 5 HID's.
If you can't handle a good lug wrench while trying to remove our wheels, torqued to 105 foot pounds, then yeh, you shouldn't own one.
basicly.
but seriously if you guys are having this problem you need to go to a decent tire shop that actually puts the specified torque on the lugs, or go back and complain.
The first time I threw a spare on the DII, I went to the Snap-On truck. Dual sided 1"-1 1/16" (1/2" drive) Impact socket. 3" extension, and 24" breaker bar. Set-up stays in the back. Bought the same set up (changing socket per application) for the DI, the RRC, and the SIIa. I still have the bent factory tire iron in my shop to remind me of how poor it's construction is. I bent it in the middle of a hurricane on the side of US1 by using the extension that came with it, and me pulling up on it. Not even standing on it.
When you go to a tire shop; never, NEVER, let them install lug nuts to alloy wheels with an impact gun by itself. Always, ALWAYS have them use a "torque stick" set to the factory recommended specs; and then go around by hand to double check with a torque wrench. I ran tire shops for years; and no matter how many times you tell them; if the manager is not in the shop; or the customer standing outside the door; they never do it the right way. Only the easy way. Caveat Emptor, for sure.
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Ok I'm not a complete idiot, but im trying to replace the front brake pads on my 94 Discovery, and I cant even get the lugnuts loose to remove the front tires. Is there some trick here I do not know? Any help would be appreciated, I couldn't find anything in the Hayne repair manual. Thanks in advance.
There is no trick. It is done in simple way as done in other vehicle.
I ended up spending an entire evening with my Dremel using a cutting disk to remove all the lug nut covers. At the time I was using 28 and 29 mm sockets to take them off. Now all I need is one socket, 27 mm. No slippage whatsoever.
The only down side I see is that the lug nuts have a hole all the way through and you can see it. I personally think it looks interesting. However, I plan on using some Bondo to cover up the holes and round off the ends. Next use some spray paint since I want to repaint my stock rims to black to match the body color.
If you decide to go this route, Make sure you use goggles. You don't want tiny pieces of metal flying at your eyes from a disk spinning at 30,000 RPM!!!
~Rick.
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Boy, I would hate to see what you would do if your Rover had a real problem.
Always using the proper size socket and you would never have this happen. It is not the Rovers fault but the person removing the tires through out the Rovers maintance.
I have seen Rovers with 250,000 miles on it with what appear to be the original lug nuts.
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Retired service manager, member of Solihull Society, SCLR, NCLR and the Santa Barbara 4Wheelers clubs.
99 D2, 3" lift, CDL with Detroit,T.T. lockers, 4:11's,H.D. axles, custom ft/rear bumpers with sliders, a 9500 HSI Warn winch and 5 HID's.
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