Series III tyre question

[Series 3 guy]

Hi guy's-
There has been some debate here in the UK around Defenders and Series vehicles that are fitted with the standard steel rims that are tube type being fitted with tubeless tyres with tubes to get the desird tyre without swaping out rims.
Some MOT stations are failing trucks here stating that it could result in tyre failure. Does it have anything to do with anything???
I have been thinking I want to get some more aggressive tyres for my truck but I dont want to lose the original wheels. I have a set of 2005 Defender white steels on her and want to keep the original look as I dont like any newer wheels on the market. Any ideas??? Suggestions??? Cheers- Andy

[antichrist]

Well, I suppose there's no arguing with the MOT.

FWIW I've run tubeless tyres on tube rims with tubes. The problem you can have is heat build up and failure of the tube, because most tubeless tyres in my experience have been radials which flex more, generating more heat. You need to use tubes made specifically for radials, and plenty of tyre talc. Even then, after a few years you sometimes can find the tube stuck to the inside of the tyre and have it tear on removal.

My suggestion would be tubeless Wolf rims if you're ok with the look.

[dav1551]

Admittedly I'm not up on the why not's and what for's to give any definitive advice,,,,, But FWIW I replaced the original riveted rims of a 109sw with new defender tubed steel rims and mounted up 235/85/16 tubeless tyres.
I was not sure about doing such but when I went to tyre shop and asked .... The two well established independent tyre shops I visited did not fear any much problems.

Mounting tubeless on tubed rims may well end up in some disaster,,,, ,,, Though have yet to have any problems.

Dave

[Series 3 guy]

Originally Posted by dav1551

Admittedly I'm not up on the why not's and what for's to give any definitive advice,,,,, But FWIW I replaced the original riveted rims of a 109sw with new defender tubed steel rims and mounted up 235/85/16 tubeless tyres.
I was not sure about doing such but when I went to tyre shop and asked .... The two well established independent tyre shops I visited did not fear any much problems.

Mounting tubeless on tubed rims may well end up in some disaster,,,, ,,, Though have yet to have any problems.

Dave

Thanks for the info! As a nosy person I was wondering what boat you have?Is that a swim step in the frame of the pic?

[Series 3 guy]

Originally Posted by antichrist

Well, I suppose there's no arguing with the MOT.

FWIW I've run tubeless tyres on tube rims with tubes. The problem you can have is heat build up and failure of the tube, because most tubeless tyres in my experience have been radials which flex more, generating more heat. You need to use tubes made specifically for radials, and plenty of tyre talc. Even then, after a few years you sometimes can find the tube stuck to the inside of the tyre and have it tear on removal.

My suggestion would be tubeless Wolf rims if you're ok with the look.

Good idea about the wolf rims!! I have found a set that are white and do look the part.Cheers!!

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by Series 3 guy

Thanks for the info! As a nosy person I was wondering what boat you have?Is that a swim step in the frame of the pic?

Looks like a Series top to me.

[Series 3 guy]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

Looks like a Series top to me.

How did I miss that?? I do believe you are right!! Sad I cant tell the difference....maybe I am not the enthusiast I think I am

[dav1551]

Seems that Jim's on it ! ... and correctly identified it as a series top... .. Which may well give some folks pause in questioning his sanity ..... "But fret not Jim we're proud of ya"



In truth I did have one of them go fast bass boats, and used it quite regularly.... But after moving to a new home the lake was not near as convenient for those quick 1/2 day trips that I enjoyed with it.... So sold it off and make use of a mates SeaFox.

Dave

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by Series 3 guy

Hi guy's-

I have been thinking I want to get some more aggressive tyres for my truck but I dont want to lose the original wheels. I have a set of 2005 Defender white steels on her and want to keep the original look as I dont like any newer wheels on the market. Any ideas??? Suggestions??? Cheers- Andy

AFAIAA Defender steels are tubeless rims, it's just the series rims that require tubes, as the rims aren't air tight.

[msggunny]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

AFAIAA Defender steels are tubeless rims, it's just the series rims that require tubes, as the rims aren't air tight.

I dont know what the difference is but i know that the stock rims from my 77 had tubes in them orginally, but then i mounted BFG Trac Edges with out tubes and they held air fine.

I had another set put on that were locally made at a LR place in Harare. No problems since 2003.

When i was in Africa they were putting inner tubes in almost all the tires, they were even on my 91 Disco.

Would be nice to know.

[Series 3 guy]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

AFAIAA Defender steels are tubeless rims, it's just the series rims that require tubes, as the rims aren't air tight.

Theres the answer! Cheers. I chased it up and you are right. Now off to concider a set of BFG At's!!

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by msggunny

I dont know what the difference is but i know that the stock rims from my 77 had tubes in them orginally, but then i mounted BFG Trac Edges with out tubes and they held air fine.

I had another set put on that were locally made at a LR place in Harare. No problems since 2003.

When i was in Africa they were putting inner tubes in almost all the tires, they were even on my 91 Disco.

Would be nice to know.

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At least the earlier Series rims were riveted together, and leaked air from the rivets. They also didn't have the bead to keep the tires seated on the rim. That being said, I ran tubeless tires on them for years without tubes and never had problems. I just had to check the air every now and then.