Serious Tire Question....

[p76rangie]

Hank, so now you are getting into the footprint of the tyre. So does a 14 inch wide 33 inch tyre have a bigger foot print than a 10.5 inch 37 inch tyre.

I can get all-terrain tyres in 37 inches. Do they have more traction than a 33 inch Simex.

You guys keep on bringing in all other factors.

[Hank]

You're a fucking idiot. It's not rocket science.

You said it your self, bigger tires take more power to turn. It's a larger rotational force. Is your truck make the same foot-pounds of torque at 1000rpm's vs 1200rpms? As you say, it take more power to turn the tires.....More power equels more torque....torque snaps the POS stock axles.

And really, I don't care if you're running a 28" tire. When you install a locker the front/rear axles cannot take the abuse. They are junk.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hank, so now you are getting into the footprint of the tyre. So does a 14 inch wide 33 inch tyre have a bigger foot print than a 10.5 inch 37 inch tyre..

Never have seen a 10.5" wide 37" tire.....

But, if you want to compair a 33x12.50 to a 37x12.50, then yes, the 37" tire has a bigger foot print.

Originally Posted by p76rangie

I can get all-terrain tyres in 37 inches. Do they have more traction than a 33 inch Simex.

You guys keep on bringing in all other factors.

It all depends on the terrain. Hard packed clay or bolder size rocks??? Each tire will excell in the terrain it's made to do. Do race cars use MT's? Why? They get more traction, right?

[p76rangie]

Hank, Like usual, you miss the point. Are you trying to say that it does not place extra stress on the axles when you are driving up a hill or towing a trailer. If you are attempting to run bigger tyres with the same size motor and the same gearing as smaller tyres, you are not placing any more stress on the axles.

If you knew anything about 4WDing, you would know that it is shock loading that breaks axles and other driving train components, not the size of the tyre. If you have the wheel spinning at full throttle and it suddenly hits something with grip, there is a high chance of breaking something. You would also know that having a diff lock actually reduces wheel spin and therefore reduces the chance of shock loading an axle. But continue to sit back there and make out that yopu actually know what you are talking about and call others names.

Obviously you rely on brut force rather than skill when driving by the amount of things that you have listed as breaking. As you have found out, upgrading axles will not stop breakages, it only moves it to another component in the drive-train. If you do not want to break things, stop driving like an idiot.

Ian

[Hank]

You're an idiot.

When my stock rear broke, I never moved and the tire never spun over. It just snapped. So, that alone blows your "theroy" out of the water.

And, how can you say a tire does not put extra stress on the axle???? Are you saying I can throw on a set of 52" Tractor tires and the stock axles will be fine???? You're a dumb fuck.

The extra traction combined with the extra weight of a bigger tire kills the stock axles in a Land Rover. Sorry, it just does, and it's been proven over and over and over again.

Tell you what, pull your rear axle out, lay it on a stump/table/what ever and spin it with your hand. As you can imagine, that would be pretty easy to do. THEN, attach a tire to the end of it and try to spin it......If you can't figure that out, then you truly are a dumb shit and need to be taken out of the gene pool.

[Badger1]

I'm with Dan on this one P76rangie.

Bigger is changing gearing and unsprung weight and rotational mass and the footprint that is grabbing the earth(ie: just extra stress turning the truck, extra stress on the CVs while turning just on the street). It is INCREASING the stress on the drivetrain components from what they were originally designed by LR. The driver is only one factor, and yes there are many more factors that can be added in like terrain etc. The driver thing has been beaten to death. Just driving on the street with plus sized tires over stock is going to wear everything out faster than it would with OEM specified tires, from tie rod ends to Ujoints, wheel bearings etc., etc. Not following your logic when you say stuff won't give out any faster whether wheeling or otherwise.

Actually the horse has been dead for awhile, but it is always fun to give it one more good whack for good measure!

[p76rangie]

I have never stated that bigger tyres do not put an extra load on the drive train. Of course it does. What I have been saying is this extra load is no different to towing a trailer of loading up the car. The amount of stress that the motor and drive-train can put on that axle has not changed. The motor can only put the same amount of force on that axle as it always has. So if you are not snapping axles taking off quickly from the traffic lights, driving up hills or towing a trailer, you will not snap them just because to add bigger tyres.

If you change something in the drive train that allows more pressure to be applied to the axles, eg putting in a bigger motor, changing diff ratios, etc, you will run the risk of breaking an axle. But this applies no matter what tyre size you have.

Hank, obviously you are highly educated with the language you use. I would like to see the standard landrover drive train turn 40 inch wheels. But that said, it would not suddenly state breaking axles because of it.

I go out with people on a regular basis that run stock drivetrains and 34 inch or larger tyres and they do not break axles. I drove for years without breaking axles. The time I have broken a front axle was on a track that the 4 vehicles that attempted the hill all broke something. I broke a standard from axle. The people with heavy duty axles broke a diff, a CV, and a final drive. So having heavy duty axles would not have saved me from breaking something and mine was the cheapest to repair.

But it is no use going on with this banter, so people reading these posts can make up their own mine. My role in this was simply to stop people wasting several thousand dollars on something they do not really need.

Ian

[Badger1]

Come on Dan, Ian had one more whack at that poor old dead horse as did I. One more kick won't hurt it.

[Hank]

Ian is an idiot.

Extra weight in a vehicle creates the same stresses as a bigger tire????? Someone shoot this dumb ass - at lease castrate him.

[p76rangie]

Hank, I don't usually say this, but your a dickhead. No wonder everyone loves you. Where does all the power from your motor go. To your wheels. If your motor is putting its maximum power through the axles to standard size wheels, how can it suddenly find the extra power to snap axles when you fit bigger wheels. The answer, you dumb shit, is that it can't. The only way this could happen is if the motor had enough power to light up the smaller wheels and the bigger wheels did not. But I am yet to see a standard landrover with enough power to light up the wheels. If you have ever bother to put your car on a dyno, you will know that there is actially less power to the road with bigger tyres due to the change in gearing cause by the wheels.

So stop showing your IQ and stop the bullshit.

Ian

[p76rangie]

Just to put this debate to rest. The people that reckon you will snap axles argue that it is to do with the extra resitance from the wheels. Therefore if you put a large amount of resitance at the wheels, you will break the axles. The most resistance that you can put on the wheels is having the brakes on. Therefore under Hank's and others theories, if you try to take off with the brakes on you will break an axle. Or if you are traveling along and apply the brakes while keeping the throttle to the floor, you will break an axle. So you can simply prove whether Hank's theory is correct. Just apply the brakes as hard as you can and try and drive off in your car. If you break an axle doing it, they are correct. If you don't, then I am correct. So go prove it yourselves and don't take any notice of what Hank or myself have said.

Ian

[Hank]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hank, I don't usually say this, but your a dickhead. No wonder everyone loves you. Where does all the power from your motor go. To your wheels. If your motor is putting its maximum power through the axles to standard size wheels, how can it suddenly find the extra power to snap axles when you fit bigger wheels. The answer, you dumb shit, is that it can't. The only way this could happen is if the motor had enough power to light up the smaller wheels and the bigger wheels did not. But I am yet to see a standard landrover with enough power to light up the wheels. If you have ever bother to put your car on a dyno, you will know that there is actially less power to the road with bigger tyres due to the change in gearing cause by the wheels.

So stop showing your IQ and stop the bullshit.

Ian

Ok, so to test your theory, strap your truck to a big ass tree and try to pull it out of the ground.This should simulate a heavy load being towed. Try this test with your stock axles and stock tires. Then, strap on some 44's and see what the fuck happens.

And a LR won't light up the tires???

[Hank]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Just to put this debate to rest. The people that reckon you will snap axles argue that it is to do with the extra resitance from the wheels. Therefore if you put a large amount of resitance at the wheels, you will break the axles. The most resistance that you can put on the wheels is having the brakes on. Therefore under Hank's and others theories, if you try to take off with the brakes on you will break an axle. Or if you are traveling along and apply the brakes while keeping the throttle to the floor, you will break an axle. So you can simply prove whether Hank's theory is correct. Just apply the brakes as hard as you can and try and drive off in your car. If you break an axle doing it, they are correct. If you don't, then I am correct. So go prove it yourselves and don't take any notice of what Hank or myself have said.

Ian

WHAT???? Are you fucking serious? How the hell does a 12" brake rotor simulate a 33" tire?

Jesus! Some peoples kids.....................

[Serg]

You guys need to play nice....