Diesels in Series vehicles?

[onslow]

Originally Posted by Muddy Oval

Well- never mind the same person who can't READ what i write... A 200, as I said, won't really increase the speed- my 109 can cruise the highway just fine without a turbo at the same speed as a 110 w/200. The 200 wouldn't make it any faster, but would make up for the lack of power the NA diesels have on hills. Night and day difference on hills.
ANYWAY- the 2.5 isn't worth swapping to, but if one falls in your lap when a 2.25 expires, they are slightly more efficient and will produce about the same driving experience with less smoke. I've driven 2.5 equipped 110's back to back against my 2.25 109- no real difference, but the 2.5 smokes a bit less and isn't a bad way to go.
People are paying stupid money for old crapped out 200's in the US. I just can't imagine why, but I've seen junkyard 200's selling for thousands. I don't hate the 200, but I don't buy into the fad/hype that it is better than a V8.

Fad and hype aye thats why 80% of discos in europe are TDi 30mpg against 15-18 of the V8, with 150 Bhp easily acheivable and relatively cheap to do capable of over 250k with no problems a totally bomb proof engine with nothing fancy to go wrong .The Tdi wins hands down,Ive had more V8s than you can shake a stick at but always use the TDi for towing and long trips,the V8 is simply used for the noise.

[300bhp/ton]

Originally Posted by Muddy Oval

Well- never mind the same person who can't READ what i write... A 200, as I said, won't really increase the speed- my 109 can cruise the highway just fine without a turbo at the same speed as a 110 w/200.

So you whole basis of 200Tdi's is of one example in a 110?

My stock 300tdi would top 100mph on a good day. My 200tdi Discovery will happily cruise at 80mph.

In a series if you use the stock diffs and gearbox then gearing may limit top speed more so than power, but a Tdi series will be way FASTER than any other standard engine in a Series and yes that includes Stage 1's!!!!

Originally Posted by Muddy Oval

The 200 wouldn't make it any faster, but would make up for the lack of power the NA diesels have on hills. Night and day difference on hills.
ANYWAY- the 2.5 isn't worth swapping to, but if one falls in your lap when a 2.25 expires, they are slightly more efficient and will produce about the same driving experience with less smoke. I've driven 2.5 equipped 110's back to back against my 2.25 109- no real difference, but the 2.5 smokes a bit less and isn't a bad way to go.
People are paying stupid money for old crapped out 200's in the US. I just can't imagine why, but I've seen junkyard 200's selling for thousands. I don't hate the 200, but I don't buy into the fad/hype that it is better than a V8.

Depends what you mean by better.

For a small amount of money you can get a 200/300Tdi to easily outperform a 3.9/4.0 Rover V8 with DOUBLE the MPG, less maintanance and NO electrics. So ideal for off roading.

V8's are cool but in the end diesels rule!

[p76rangie]

An Izuzu deisel is a genuine Landrover type item. They were fitted by Landrover to vehicles sold in OZ before the TDI.

[MPi-KMS-72]

Originally Posted by braganjackson11

Mercedesrover put a, obviously, mercedes diesel in his...my dad talked to him about it...he has the adapter plate to mate it to the series transmission on his website www.seriestrek.com. you can get the engine for cheap and it's supposed to run without any wires once you get it started meaning you can literally unhook everything and it goes. not sure that it actually gets any more power though

IIRC the Mercedes 4 cyl produces HP somewhere inbetween the 2.25d and the 2.25p. Jim quoted me something like 25mpg , that was with 4.10 diffs and OD.

There have been a lot of other diesel swaps here in north america, Cummins 4bt, 6at, GM 6.2 and 6.5l. http://www.aloharovers.com/tech/diesel/index.htm

The 200 and 300tdis may be nice but they aren't particularly practical here. None were ever officially imported by LR, parts can be a royal pain to get if you are broken down in the middle of Nebraska or some remote place. For the rest of the world they are great. Here even an EFI SBC could be a more practical alternative.

Still some people here pay silly money($3k 4k 5k 6k and up!) for the TDIs and they do love them. But I'd be surprised if there were more than 250 LR TDIs here on the road today in the USA, in fact the # may be even much less than that. Here in the USA the TDI is a status symbol- a cult type icon for LR nuts, it is a completely different situation from the rest of the world:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp

[KevinNY]

Bill Davis may be offering a Perkins kit in the future.

[jaguiler]

you may mean Robert Davis

http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.op...onversion.html

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by MPi-KMS-72

There have been a lot of other diesel swaps here in north america, Cummins 4bt, 6at, GM 6.2 and 6.5l.


The 200 and 300tdis may be nice but they aren't particularly practical here. None were ever officially imported by LR, parts can be a royal pain to get if you are broken down in the middle of Nebraska or some remote place.

Still some people here pay silly money($3k 4k 5k 6k and up!)

Jim's install is neat and tidy, but that engine offer's only a marginal improvement in performance. Fuel economy is great, and it can pull hills. He aint giving his adapters away.

I would argue your point about the paracticality of using a 200 or 300 Tdi.
Parts are a day or 2 away by UPS (from 2 US sources). It is an engine which, by design, is not in anyway a compromise in a Land Rover. Yes people are paying silly prices, but the few stories of 5K and up are based on a very few stupid people with enough money to burn, and far more, based on many vocal "experts" flapping their illinformed gums. There are plenty (hundreds) of Isuzus and Nissans in Miami, all imports from Japan, but is re-engineering the truck going to be much less (time, effort, and cash)than using a better engine to begin with?The 200 is available for around 2k from more than one source, depends if you're getting front pipe, intercooler/rad, and gearbox/TC

The 4BT Cummins is a great engine (or 6BT) The 4BT is heavier, and physically larger than the 200/300 Tdis, and require adapters. A 6BT would be so large as to require bulkhead mods, and I don't mean minor. Completely ill suited. Hell, I bet a could get a 12-71 into an 88, does that mean it's right?
I have no intention of replacing the engine in my 110, but every intention of doing it in one of our series trucks. Only thing holding me back is retirement income.

[Hillbilly Raider]

200tdi in a series? i paid 500 uk pounds for my lump it dropped straight in with very little or no mods and goes on AND offroad like shit off a shovel been running a series gearbox off of it for 10,000 miles now too with no probs
But hey what would i know i'm British AND female!!!
checkout my website to see where this baby plays.


www.alpinerovers.com

[KevinNY]

Originally Posted by jaguiler

you may mean Robert Davis

http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.op...onversion.html

Yes, I stand corrected.

[archaeology_student]

HillBilly Raider... nice looking vehicle! Is that a Series that you modified to look like a Defender?

Female, male... I do not discriminate... now if you don't like then we have a problem

[pickuprover]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly Raider

But hey what would i know i'm British AND female!!!

Now Mandy, I think that is why you know soooo much...

[Hillbilly Raider]

Hey Andy you may be right
and in answer to the question "did you modify it to look like a Defender?"
the answer is....
NO i bloody didnt.. the ONLY defender bit is the front and thats because of the 200TDI sat behind it.
it still has leaf springs
split screen series doors etc etc etc

[AlohaRover]

I thought the TD5 was a pure electronic control engine? So you would need the ecu and all the other bits to transplant into a Series right?

I know of a 2.5 NA diesel that has been trasnplanted into a 107 PU and the thing will fly down the highway no problem. Handfull of 2.5 NA 88s also.
If it is a well built engine and everything is set up properly its a good engine for an 88.
The 2.5 turbo is even better, and the 200/300 TDIs even better still.
The TDIs are pretty expensive here in the US. 3-6000$ depending on condition. The benifit is relative ease of installation compared to non Rover stuff. But this does not equal the best solution for someone here in the US.

Just because the 200tdi is the best weapon of choice for folks in the areas of the world were it's a commonly available doesn't make it the case here.

There are transmissions and transfercases here in the US that are stronger then the series bits. Engines that put out more power. There are plenty of people that have converted so there is a wealth of knowledge and experiance. Plus we benifit from what all the Jeep folks have done before us.
The Dana-18 is what the Series t-case was modelled off of. Has the same offset rear output. You can find them for 50-100$. 3.15 low range gear set available. Overdrive available. hell you can even rethread the twin sticks to fit our yellow and red knobs. Adapters to bolt up to what ever tranny you like. And the overall length of the D-18 is shorter so you end up with a longer drive shaft. Good thing when you want to stick a Salisbury under an 88. You can mate up a new engine to a Series transmission, or a different tranny to a Series t-case, but why bother? It's cheeper and easier to just swap out the whole package.
And if you are driving a 109 you don't even need to worry about the rear offset. just get a double jointed drive shaft and go with what ever you want. From a D-300 to an Atlas its a wide open field of choice. If you are looking to re-engine a 109 just go to your local pick and pull and find a low milage 4x4 wreck that has your desired engine tranny combo.

Originally Posted by TerryS

I would argue your point about the paracticality of using a 200 or 300 Tdi.
Parts are a day or 2 away by UPS (from 2 US sources).

If you consider a 2 day wait for parts practical.
Short of having to do an engine overall I can walk into any parts store in the US and get what I need right off the shelf. Gaskets, fuel pumps, filters, h20 pumps, PS pumps, alts, belts, hoses, etc. Its also a gear drive timing set up, so no timing belt to fail.

[jimfoo]

Don't forget the VW Diesel. Better power than the 2.25, 5k redline, 150 lbs
lighter, 30mph highway, 20 mpg trail for idi, better if you went tdi-m. There are
only 2 that I have heard of, someone with a 1.4 tdi, and my 1.9 idi. Details on
http://www.66rover.com/ under upgrades. I had overheating problems with the
stock radiator, then someone totaled my Rover (crash on website). The engine
didn't run the same after that, so I am currently rebuilding it with gapless rings,
new head, different turbo, intercooler. It ran good before, but it should fly now.

[AlohaRover]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

It ran good before, but it should fly now.

There is a RR Sport signed up for Montrose. The three of us should find a 1/4 mile and run em