Diesels in Series vehicles?

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by AlohaRover

There is a RR Sport signed up for Montrose. The three of us should find a 1/4 mile and run em

Sounds good to me. We could have Ralph do it too with his 200 TDi.

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by AlohaRover

If you consider a 2 day wait for parts practical.

I don't consider it impractical, but anything I have ever orderd from one of the two supplier is here the next day, if I get my order in by 2pm. Although some of the odds and ends I might need for any of my rovers I can get at the local LR dealership, I still get it via the big brown truck. Considering I don't put more than 7-8k on my daily driver per year, I doubt having a belt would trouble me if I put a 200 TDi in my 88, which might clock 2k in a year.
There's always the Zeus option too.

[jimfoo]

Of course you are just a little closer to those two suppliers than we are here in CO.

[p76rangie]

Come the end of the day the Td motors are only 2.5 litres. You have to keep the turbo cut in to have any sort of "power" and it a manual it makes it a pain in the arse off-road. On the road they are fine for anyone who just wants to soak in the atmosphere rather than get there in a hurry.

[300bhp/ton]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Come the end of the day the Td motors are only 2.5 litres. You have to keep the turbo cut in to have any sort of "power" and it a manual it makes it a pain in the arse off-road. On the road they are fine for anyone who just wants to soak in the atmosphere rather than get there in a hurry.

You really have no idea do you

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

Of course you are just a little closer to those two suppliers than we are here in CO.

True enough (if only relatively) One is 400 miles away, the other 1400 miles away. Hell, it's so compact back here in the east, we can go to the store, and be back in the same day.

[p76rangie]

300bhp, you don't really think that a 2.5 litre diesel has power, do you. If you do, you need to get out more.

[Hillbilly Raider]

we have a saying here ...
all the gear no idea
its not what you've got but how you use it.
you guys need to come to the home of LANDROVER and "play"
biggest and best doesnt always win the trophy.
have seen a standard series whip ass !!!!!!!!!

[300bhp/ton]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

300bhp, you don't really think that a 2.5 litre diesel has power, do you. If you do, you need to get out more.

compared to what?

Compared to a stock 3.5 or 3.9 Rover V8 yes, even a modified one.

Now if you're comparing to a 5.7 Chevy Ls1 then no, but you don't see too many Land Rovers with them from the factory.

Ian, just because you don't understand/or get something doesn't make it wrong. Maybe try and be a little open minded????

And yes I have experienced many different Land Rover setups, either owned or have used:

3.5 Carb V8 Range Rover
3.5 EFI Range Rover
3.9 EFI Range Rover
4.6 HSE P38 Range Rover
3.9 EFI V8 Discovery
200Tdi Discovery
300Tdi Discovery
300Tdi Defender 90 (several)
3.5 carb V8 90
3.9 88" special (Chopped down RR)
3.5 Series 3
2.25 series 2 & 3 (several)
n/a diesel series
2.5TD 90
2.5 VM turbo deisel Range Rover
TD5 90
TD5 Discovery (several)
2.7 TDV6 Discovery 3
2.5 DSE p38 Range Rover


As for fast or powerful cars, well I have a custom built 3.5 Rover V8 Triumph TR7 sports car and a 5.7 litre Ls1 V8 powered Camaro z/28, I've also owned V12 Jaguars and turbocharged 4 cylinder sports coupes.

[pickuprover]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly Raider

we have a saying here ...
all the gear no idea
its not what you've got but how you use it.
you guys need to come to the home of LANDROVER and "play"
biggest and best doesnt always win the trophy.
have seen a standard series whip ass !!!!!!!!!

Mandy, could not agree with that more.... Having seen Bruce Fowler and his stock series I go head to head with a d90 fully locked. They did take slightly different lines, but the end result was the same, they finished the course. Or watch John Cranfield take his stock 90 embarrass a fully tricked out 90 owner. Or even one of our members Moses, in his series (stock exept for true tracks...) taking all the trails that the 90's and build up disco's take.... The first couple of years of driving it is the truck, then it becomes the driver. I would love to get acrossed the pond and see you drive. I am sure it would be an education.....

[300bhp/ton]

Originally Posted by pickuprover

Mandy, could not agree with that more.... Having seen Bruce Fowler and his stock series I go head to head with a d90 fully locked. They did take slightly different lines, but the end result was the same, they finished the course. Or watch John Cranfield take his stock 90 embarrass a fully tricked out 90 owner. Or even one of our members Moses, in his series (stock exept for true tracks...) taking all the trails that the 90's and build up disco's take.... The first couple of years of driving it is the truck, then it becomes the driver. I would love to get acrossed the pond and see you drive. I am sure it would be an education.....

+1

A lot of it has to do with driver, at last Years ALRC National trials my Uncle bagged 1st in class in the CCV (Cross Country Trial) for stock deisel. He was using a completly stock 2.5TD pickup 90 yet still managed to get where most of the 80" V8 coiler specials did.

[jimfoo]

Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton

+1

A lot of it has to do with driver, at last Years ALRC National trials my Uncle
bagged 1st in class in the CCV (Cross Country Trial) for stock deisel. He was
using a completly stock 2.5TD pickup 90 yet still managed to get where most of
the 80" V8 coiler specials did.

I think almost all of it has to do with the driver. I know that in what was my
stock, except for parabolics, Series, I went many places that locked trucks
had problems with. Even in my stock and slightly saggy '87 RR. I remember
driving up one particularly hard rock on the Chinaman Gulch trail. I drove both
trucks up first try. The wife was driving the RR, but didn't want to drive up
that. All the other trucks on the trail were locked, and most took at least 3
tries to get up. Then again, I have been 4-wheeling for 27 years, so I do
have a little experience.
The first time I took my 1.9 TD out, right after the install, was to Moab.
While right off the throttle was a little less torque than the 2.25, once I
got going it was great. Those 2.25's are low rpm torque monsters, but I
wouldn't ever go back. I could just imagine what a 2.5 would be like.

[jimfoo]

Oh, and I have also ridden in a Disco with the 2.8 Diesel on Golden Spike in
Moab. It is an impressive engine, though pricy.

[300bhp/ton]

Originally Posted by jimfoo

I think almost all of it has to do with the driver. I know that in what was my
stock, except for parabolics, Series, I went many places that locked trucks
had problems with. Even in my stock and slightly saggy '87 RR. I remember
driving up one particularly hard rock on the Chinaman Gulch trail. I drove both
trucks up first try. The wife was driving the RR, but didn't want to drive up
that. All the other trucks on the trail were locked, and most took at least 3
tries to get up. Then again, I have been 4-wheeling for 27 years, so I do
have a little experience.
The first time I took my 1.9 TD out, right after the install, was to Moab.
While right off the throttle was a little less torque than the 2.25, once I
got going it was great. Those 2.25's are low rpm torque monsters, but I
wouldn't ever go back. I could just imagine what a 2.5 would be like.

200Tdi's are noticable where the turbo kicks in, but its at such low rpms that it still equals really low crawling speeds. In short a 200tdi has penty of grunt from tickover in 1st low.

300Tdi's are even better and it's almost impossible to tell exactly where the turbo kicks in and they pull from almost no revs at all.

[Hillbilly Raider]

this discussion is one of the reasons i have moved away from the sport if you will and am now focusing on overlanding.
today (to ME) it seems that it is all about how fast and how rough you can drive rather than skill?
where once it was a trophy for NOT damaging your truck.... now it seems that the truck that did most damage to its self and the florna and forna wins?
google a fab film called "first overland" and see how far they travelled in the "old days"