Fitting Defender Axels & Diff on a S111 - Land Rovers Only

Nilhan WeeraSinha · 03-11-2008, 03:41 AM

Hi,

Is it possible to fit complete Defender axels (front and rear) complete with Diffs on a S111 ?

I intend retainng the leaf springs.

What obstacles will I have to overcome?

Prop Shaft length to be shortened?

Regards

Nilhan

pickuprover · 03-11-2008, 04:55 AM

Front axle, all the steering components have to be modified.
Axle casings have to be reinforced to accept the leaf springs (no mounts on the defender axles), remove the mounts for the coils, install shock mounts on the casings....
Rear axle, remove sway bar fittings.

And that is just what I can come up with off the top of my head.

What is the purpose of this? if you are going to put defender axles under, most do it so they have coils, not just leafs. If it is for the disc breaks then you probably would be better going with a disk brake conversion (ROcky Mountain makes one)

gordo · 03-11-2008, 07:38 AM

also the gearing will be taller and the axle is wider so it may require some trimming. Gordo

CliftonRover · 03-11-2008, 10:21 AM

I have discovery axles on my 200 tdi IIA 109 sw. I cut all the brackets off the axle tubes, and welded spring perches for a dana 60 on. the shock mounts need to be added to the rear axle on a 109 but otherwise your all set. The drag link needs to be either lengthened 2" some how. i just unthreaded the ends a little. And the tie rod needs to be have the steering dampener mount cut off, and the rod its self has to be bent slightly to clear the leaf springs. Other than that enjoy the disc brakes and stronger axles. If you have a stock engine you should change gearing.

Series 3 guy · 03-11-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CliftonRover

I have discovery axles on my 200 tdi IIA 109 sw. I cut all the brackets off the axle tubes, and welded spring perches for a dana 60 on. the shock mounts need to be added to the rear axle on a 109 but otherwise your all set. The drag link needs to be either lengthened 2" some how. i just unthreaded the ends a little. And the tie rod needs to be have the steering dampener mount cut off, and the rod its self has to be bent slightly to clear the leaf springs. Other than that enjoy the disc brakes and stronger axles. If you have a stock engine you should change gearing.

Hey there! 200tdi? Brilliant,I am looking at this very conversion at the momment. Do you have any pics as I would love to see yours?

roversam96 · 03-12-2008, 07:48 PM

I am in the middle of a hybrid build and am using toyota axles in mine it has the width as the rover you may want to look into that as an option

CliftonRover · 03-13-2008, 12:44 PM

I have pics but not at school, I will get them this weekend. The engine is definatly worth the money. the onl;y mount you have to change is the RH front. this mount needs to be a lower. then remove the battery box mount, fabricate new radiator and inter cooler mounts, cut the back off the radiator support, use a electric fan (I never need turn mine on), and space the steering box out 3/4 of an inch away from the turbo down pipe. The disco axles are definatly worth it, but with the lower 200 tdi eninge mount you need longer front shackles. then your all set.

JMFL · 03-14-2008, 11:18 PM

Did the Disco axles come with a factory locker option?

Nilhan WeeraSinha · 05-30-2008, 01:18 AM

Hi Roversam96

Could you please specify the model type of the Toyota axels

Thanks
Nilhan

msggunny · 05-30-2008, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roversam96

I am in the middle of a hybrid build and am using toyota axles in mine it has the width as the rover you may want to look into that as an option

Mini truck or Cruiser axles.

This is the way to go,

Cheaper
Stronger
More gear ratios avialable
More traction options (Lockers)

There is even a conversion you can do for series and coiler axles to use the same tubes but toyota internals.

I dont know the feesability for you Nilhan since the shipping for the kit to Sri Lanka would be expensive, but i know they have toyotas galore over there.

ArmyRover · 05-30-2008, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMFL

Did the Disco axles come with a factory locker option?

nope that would have made things way to easy for us

roversam96 · 05-30-2008, 12:56 PM

i am using 1979 toyota axles out of a mini truck the best part is they are cheap and there are parts just about everywhere in the world

RoverSam

zed · 05-31-2008, 11:04 AM

but now-a-days.. everyone wants toyota axles, and junk yards aren't keeping the parts they used to. People tend to think they have something special and charge for it.
Luckily a vehicle with a crappier frame than a land rover was the toyota pickup till the tacoma or so ~94 ish. So there's a lot of busted ones out there. That everyone wants for their isuzu and geo swaps.

And it would be a shame to kill an FJ for its axles.

03-11-2008, 03:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nilhan WeeraSinha Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 20 Gallery: 0	Fitting Defender Axels & Diff on a S111 Hi, Is it possible to fit complete Defender axels (front and rear) complete with Diffs on a S111 ? I intend retainng the leaf springs. What obstacles will I have to overcome? Prop Shaft length to be shortened? Regards Nilhan

03-11-2008, 04:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
pickuprover Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,351 Gallery: 0	Front axle, all the steering components have to be modified. Axle casings have to be reinforced to accept the leaf springs (no mounts on the defender axles), remove the mounts for the coils, install shock mounts on the casings.... Rear axle, remove sway bar fittings. And that is just what I can come up with off the top of my head. What is the purpose of this? if you are going to put defender axles under, most do it so they have coils, not just leafs. If it is for the disc breaks then you probably would be better going with a disk brake conversion (ROcky Mountain makes one) __________________ Andrew Barr. 1972 Series III 109. "the Tin Turtle" "However, that was his ploy and I caved....totally caved... LOL!" Jellijo

03-11-2008, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
gordo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 289 Gallery: 0	also the gearing will be taller and the axle is wider so it may require some trimming. Gordo __________________ Gordo www.floridalandroverclub.com 00 P38 4.6 blinging 92 stocker RRC 73 hybrid wheeler

03-14-2008, 11:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
JMFL Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mildenhall Village UK Posts: 7 Gallery: 0	Lockers Did the Disco axles come with a factory locker option?

05-31-2008, 11:04 AM	#13 (permalink)
zed Nut Futzer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oahu Posts: 257 Gallery: 7	but now-a-days.. everyone wants toyota axles, and junk yards aren't keeping the parts they used to. People tend to think they have something special and charge for it. Luckily a vehicle with a crappier frame than a land rover was the toyota pickup till the tacoma or so ~94 ish. So there's a lot of busted ones out there. That everyone wants for their isuzu and geo swaps. And it would be a shame to kill an FJ for its axles. __________________ "Its a beautiful thing the destruction of words" “Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.” - Orwell: nineteen eighty-four, true for Oceania, true for today.

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03-11-2008, 10:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
CliftonRover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 105 Gallery: 0	I have discovery axles on my 200 tdi IIA 109 sw. I cut all the brackets off the axle tubes, and welded spring perches for a dana 60 on. the shock mounts need to be added to the rear axle on a 109 but otherwise your all set. The drag link needs to be either lengthened 2" some how. i just unthreaded the ends a little. And the tie rod needs to be have the steering dampener mount cut off, and the rod its self has to be bent slightly to clear the leaf springs. Other than that enjoy the disc brakes and stronger axles. If you have a stock engine you should change gearing.

03-12-2008, 07:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
roversam96 roversam96 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cloverdale, CA Posts: 48 Gallery: 0	I am in the middle of a hybrid build and am using toyota axles in mine it has the width as the rover you may want to look into that as an option

03-13-2008, 12:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
CliftonRover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 105 Gallery: 0	I have pics but not at school, I will get them this weekend. The engine is definatly worth the money. the onl;y mount you have to change is the RH front. this mount needs to be a lower. then remove the battery box mount, fabricate new radiator and inter cooler mounts, cut the back off the radiator support, use a electric fan (I never need turn mine on), and space the steering box out 3/4 of an inch away from the turbo down pipe. The disco axles are definatly worth it, but with the lower 200 tdi eninge mount you need longer front shackles. then your all set.

05-30-2008, 01:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
Nilhan WeeraSinha Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 20 Gallery: 0	Hi Roversam96 Could you please specify the model type of the Toyota axels Thanks Nilhan

05-30-2008, 12:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
roversam96 roversam96 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cloverdale, CA Posts: 48 Gallery: 0	i am using 1979 toyota axles out of a mini truck the best part is they are cheap and there are parts just about everywhere in the world RoverSam

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