hand crankable starting

[turretman1st]

I am a newbe on rovers familiar with all rootes group vehicles. am looking at getting a series 109 landrover but have some questions

are these or certian years start able by use of a hand crank gas and desiel models (thanks aswered a few post down -best tool ever)
used to crank a series 2 alpine al the time had fun once in sandeiago light district a lot of people were looking at it when i went into a store on coming out when i reached behind the seat and came out with the handle every one was runnning thought i was going to go balistic on them the police that responded seeing me whith the handle just gapped as i used it to start the sunbeam.

what years are as on ebay i have seen what looks like a hand crank hole in front bumper

please am also wondering what average fuel milage is for these vehicles

wanting a vehicle that goes when i want no matter what. !!!!!!!!

thank you

bill

[zed]

all the "series rovers" have the crank hole, i believe.
'48-'83 I think.

From what i've read and my experience in the last few weeks of owning would indicate that it is not a vehicle that goes when you want to no matter what.
It seems to be more designed to be repaired frequently with relative ease than be reliable. Though I have to say; mine (and others I've heard of) does pop over every time it passes a compression stroke.

I can't imagine trying to crank over a diesel without some sort of gear reduction box. I believe the 2.25 diesel is 22 or 23:1.. vs 7 or 8:1 in the petrol. But I may be wrong.


I have not been able to get the thing running long enough to calculate mileage. I found somewhere where someone said 17mpg in good tune. I believe it was the petrol version. I could believe it. But if someone told me 30 or 8 I would believe that as well.

[turretman1st]

all british vehicles are tempermental it just takes a gental patiant person with all the understandings of british temperment. AS I WAS TOLD WHEN I PURCHASED MY FIRST BRITISH CAR a 1960 sunbeam alpine in 1975 it took me from then untill 1987 23 alpines later to get there i allways had the pationt the rest was learned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

first thing learned all british cars leak oil if it don't its out of it. had one alpine after complete overhaul no leakage for 60 days went on trip and then ran out of oil on the road.

second thing have right tools learned about british witworth.

third allways carry spare parts. after a while you get to know which ones.

forth allways talk to them (NICE LY)

but most of all ya got to understand british engineering and humor.

with the above you can almost never have to walk

thats my expereince with roots group vehicles

im ready to try land rover i don't want any electronics if i can help it no power thinges

I am the person who drove a 1930 model AA FORD 2 ton truck all original all around san francisco bay area1985-1991 regularly was stationed at NAVAL STATION TREASURE ISLAND 1985 to 1991 it went across bay bridge regulary at aprox 25 mph on any uphill grade.

so welcome me to your ranks
bill

[giorgio]

I have started my 1968 Series IIA 109 2.6L a few times with the crank. It is a breeze if it has been started already that day. I have started it cold, just to see what it was like, and it was not bad. I think on the second or third crank. I have yet to be able to get the crank to line up without looking under the vehicle. I wish I could figure out how to line it up by feel. That may come with time.

[turretman1st]

it takes some time before you can just shove it in and crank with out looking

and REMEMBER ALWAYS PULL UP NEVER PUSH DOWN AND DONT WRAPE YOUR THUMB AND FINGERS JUST CUP IT. AS A KID SAW A GUY ON A MODEL A PUSH DOWN IT AKTUALLY FOLDED HIS ARM BROKE IN QUIT A FEW AREA'S.

In the 1980's had a 1930 ford AA truck started it 6 volt/12 volt/hand crank funny thing it allways stated easier by hand crank.

allways ignition off choke if temp required turn with crank twice
ignition on pull up once 98% of the time it always started.

did same with alpine

AND REMEMBER ALWAYS PULL

bill

[giorgio]

Thanks for the tips on "technique". I will be sure to remember them.

[TerryS]

Originally Posted by giorgio

I wish I could figure out how to line it up by feel. That may come with time.

You can do one of two things:

Get the cone that was used on MOD trucks. It bolts between crank bolt and front pulley. If the crank is ANYWHERE near the center of the large hole in the front crossmember, the cone guides the crank right into place.

Second thing is what I did first (Before I found out about the cone).
Since I had to hank one of mine (that's short for hand-crank) everyday in winter for 7 years, I took a piece of 1/4"x2" flat stock about 6" long, drilled a 3/4" hole in the center, milled two slots for the crank dogs, and bolted it to my front crossmember, so that the crank was aligned with the hole in the bumper, and crank dog.

[TerryS]

When I climbed underneath to take this pic so you'd see what I meant, I found I have a different type of crank cone than I have had on other trucks. Nonetheless, you get the idea.

[giorgio]

Terry,

Thanks for the additional information. Hopefully, I will only need the crank for "novelty" purposes, but it would be nice to make the process seem a little more seamless.

[The Colonel]

Originally Posted by giorgio

Terry,

Thanks for the additional information. Hopefully, I will only need the crank for "novelty" purposes, but it would be nice to make the process seem a little more seamless.

i posted a similar topic "best tool ever onthe series area. pretty fun replys. first time i used it on my 78 series i had a wicked good laugh. it was just so darn funny to see that thing start up like that. tom