'90 RRC Self Level System - Land Rovers Only

emmodg · 05-23-2006, 08:34 PM

Can you take the self leveling system out and "ditch it"? It looks like a big old heavy thing waiting to break.

Thanks.
J.B.

p76rangie · 05-23-2006, 09:11 PM

You can take it out. But if it is actually working, you will have to upgrade your springs to take the extra weight that the self leveler normal takes. Taking it out will also affect you articulation off road, but the stiffer springs and the leveler out will improve on-road handling.

Ian

Muddy Oval · 05-23-2006, 09:42 PM

I love the self-leveler... it works REALLY well and supports a lot of the weight of the truck without having harsh springs.

Disco Mike · 05-24-2006, 07:31 AM

If it ain't broke, don't replace it.
Mike

yieldsign2 · 05-24-2006, 04:30 PM

Would the articulation be better or worse?

p76rangie · 05-24-2006, 05:11 PM

Articulation is worse. Firstly the self leveler acts as a pivot point for your rear axle. This effectively forces the other wheel down when one goes up. It improves traction on the lower wheel and improves articulation. Secondly, it allows softer springs to be put on the outside. this allows the wheel to move more with the same weight transferance. Again improving articulation. The only time it retricts articulation is if you are going to go for a wild spring setup with dislocation cones, etc.

Ian

RageRover · 05-24-2006, 09:16 PM

I can tell mine used to have it, and was removed. However, the A arm on the rear diff is still there and attached to the axle.

cellulararrest · 05-25-2006, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RageRover

I can tell mine used to have it, and was removed. However, the A arm on the rear diff is still there and attached to the axle.

Only pre 1993 rovers with coil springs had the boge self leveling unit. Trucks with air suspension don't need it as the air suspension does its job.

It's almost guaranteed that these units aren't working anymore on any classic unless they've been replaced.

Funrover · 05-25-2006, 10:07 PM

Well...took mine out a while back..WAS A GREAT MOD!! Better flex....and it was not working anyway!!

Muddy Oval · 05-26-2006, 06:26 AM

A lot of them still work- in fact, most of them that come through the shop still work. They aren't 'overt' in how they work because when you load up the truck it will initially sag, then after a couple of blocks it will have equalized. Then when you unload, it'll sit high for a couple blocks and then lower. It's actually a very effective system. If you remove it, you REALLY need new springs. The spring rates on them are 30-45lb lower than a truck without the Boge unit.

TerryS · 05-26-2006, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cellulararrest

It's almost guaranteed that these units aren't working anymore on any classic unless they've been replaced.

All NAS 110s had them too. Mine is still working just fine, and I wouldn't think of taking it out. An especially nice thing to have when fully loaded on the logging roads in Maine.

campbell · 12-26-2006, 05:18 PM

Dude,

Your truck is what I want mine to look like. I just bought a 95, and it looks like yours minus the upgrades. Where did you aquire your roof rack?

Nice Rover!

MuddyRangeRover · 12-27-2006, 01:11 PM

I wonder what is a sure way to find out whether or not it functions?

dominick · 12-27-2006, 02:04 PM

i wanna know too

05-23-2006, 08:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
emmodg Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 21 Gallery: 0	'90 RRC Self Level System Can you take the self leveling system out and "ditch it"? It looks like a big old heavy thing waiting to break. Thanks. J.B.

05-23-2006, 09:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Muddy Oval Otherwise known as STEVE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,968 Gallery: 0	I love the self-leveler... it works REALLY well and supports a lot of the weight of the truck without having harsh springs. __________________ 2002 Freelander 2000 DII w/CDL 1967 SIIA 109SW Former Rovers 2004 Modded "S" Disco, R.I.P. 2004 G4 Disco 2002 Modded Freelander 1995 Modded Disco 1994 D-90 #8 1993 NAS D110 1990 Range Rover County 1973 SIII 88 1972 Range Rover 2 door

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RageRover Crazy about Rovers and more... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Westland, MI Posts: 2,889 Gallery: 0	I can tell mine used to have it, and was removed. However, the A arm on the rear diff is still there and attached to the axle. __________________ Pat Albaugh, Midwest Moderator "Diffage" -the point at which the truck's differential makes contact with the ground. http://www.cardomain.com/id/RageRover42Visit my RRC and others here!(updated as of September 15, 2006) 1995 RRC LWB -LT265/75R16 Pathfinder All Terrains -RTE 2" Lift Springs -Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks (from DAP Enterprises) -KMC Front Diff Guard -4 Desert Fox 55 watt Lighting -Radio Shack CB Radio (never know when signal fails on a cell phone) -2 Halogen Super Sport 100 watt forward lights -Custom slim style front bumper w/ integrated bull bar -Lowe's Special "Homemade" Snorkel -T-Case out of an 92' RRC

05-26-2006, 06:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
Muddy Oval Otherwise known as STEVE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,968 Gallery: 0	A lot of them still work- in fact, most of them that come through the shop still work. They aren't 'overt' in how they work because when you load up the truck it will initially sag, then after a couple of blocks it will have equalized. Then when you unload, it'll sit high for a couple blocks and then lower. It's actually a very effective system. If you remove it, you REALLY need new springs. The spring rates on them are 30-45lb lower than a truck without the Boge unit. __________________ 2002 Freelander 2000 DII w/CDL 1967 SIIA 109SW Former Rovers 2004 Modded "S" Disco, R.I.P. 2004 G4 Disco 2002 Modded Freelander 1995 Modded Disco 1994 D-90 #8 1993 NAS D110 1990 Range Rover County 1973 SIII 88 1972 Range Rover 2 door

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05-23-2006, 09:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 2,156 Gallery: 0	You can take it out. But if it is actually working, you will have to upgrade your springs to take the extra weight that the self leveler normal takes. Taking it out will also affect you articulation off road, but the stiffer springs and the leveler out will improve on-road handling. Ian

05-24-2006, 07:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Disco Mike Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 5,760 Gallery: 0	If it ain't broke, don't replace it. Mike

05-24-2006, 05:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 2,156 Gallery: 0	Articulation is worse. Firstly the self leveler acts as a pivot point for your rear axle. This effectively forces the other wheel down when one goes up. It improves traction on the lower wheel and improves articulation. Secondly, it allows softer springs to be put on the outside. this allows the wheel to move more with the same weight transferance. Again improving articulation. The only time it retricts articulation is if you are going to go for a wild spring setup with dislocation cones, etc. Ian

12-26-2006, 05:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
campbell Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 126 Gallery: 0	Dude, Your truck is what I want mine to look like. I just bought a 95, and it looks like yours minus the upgrades. Where did you aquire your roof rack? Nice Rover!

12-27-2006, 01:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
MuddyRangeRover Where is my Black Son? Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Aurora/Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 496 Gallery: 0	I wonder what is a sure way to find out whether or not it functions? __________________ 1996 Disco 1 SE7- Stock(Awesome sound system) DD/Range Rover hauler. 1990 RRC SWB Camel Trophy Inspired- ARB, Hella's, Bosch's, AR's 15X8, 32"MTR's,Equipe suspension stuff, Skids, waiting for more...

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