B/w 1361 - Land Rovers Only

Jroc81 · 01-27-2008, 12:53 PM

The Rangie's 3.9 is calling it quits. With a terminal oiling problem, several leaks that need attention and its numerous other "small issues", I have discovered that a particular engine swap will be more cost effective both in the short run and in the long run. However in order for this to happen, I need to know if any of you guys know the input shaft diameter and the spline count/depth of our Borg Warner 1361 transfer cases. Exhaustive searches online for this information have yielded no information of any real use. Someone here has to know....

Jroc81 · 01-28-2008, 10:24 PM

Someone has to know...

XtremeMarine · 01-29-2008, 02:00 PM

Post this question on the Land Rover thread of Pirate 4x4, and you'll have an answer within a couple of hours.

hermanpj · 01-29-2008, 07:35 PM

sounds like you might be thinking of putting a non rover engine and transmission in...

do tell.

Jroc81 · 01-29-2008, 09:05 PM

After a lot of thought, and a lot of time spent looking at gas prices, I decided to go for the Gm 6.2l diesel. Marks 4x4 in Australia makes a gm smallblock swap kit for RR's consisting of an adapter plate. engine mounts, and a few other odds and ends, However, the entire kit, minus the engine will run you about 900 dollars shipped to your door. In the long run, it's much cheaper to buy a 6.2l diesel and a 700r4 and just fab some mounts to make it fit perfectly. I know that 700r4's had either a 27(early) or 32(late) spline output shaft. This combo was typically mated to an Np 208 t-case, in Gm trucks, which is rumored to have the same input shaft dimensions as the B/W 1361, aka our t-cases. The purpose of this thread is to find out if that rumor is true, so that I can source the correct 700r4 for the project. I'd hoped someone on here had that information...

hermanpj · 01-30-2008, 06:20 AM

call atlantic british, tell them you may or may not have to buy a new transfer case and you need to know this info. they might be able to tell you. worth a phone call anyway.

BullDogSix · 01-30-2008, 06:35 AM

You could also contact Advance Adapters.Com Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters...they make all kinds of engine/trans/tcase adapter combos, but they are also a great source for info.

carlosz · 01-30-2008, 12:23 PM

odlsmobile sierra and or cuttlas calaiss had front wheel drive and came in 4d or s/w configuration and a number of those came in diesel configurations V6 to be exact. that
should give you good performance and keep the weight down since the 6.2 v8 is almost 800 lbs. if you decide to go with the v8 you would have to really beef up your front springs, keep in mind that your differentials are off set so in using a different t case which may have non off set rear out-put, you will bind the rear yoke when articulating offroad and thus causing catastrophic damage..... Ihave seen it before.

Jroc81 · 01-31-2008, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlosz

odlsmobile sierra and or cuttlas calaiss had front wheel drive and came in 4d or s/w configuration and a number of those came in diesel configurations V6 to be exact. that
should give you good performance and keep the weight down since the 6.2 v8 is almost 800 lbs. if you decide to go with the v8 you would have to really beef up your front springs, keep in mind that your differentials are off set so in using a different t case which may have non off set rear out-put, you will bind the rear yoke when articulating offroad and thus causing catastrophic damage..... Ihave seen it before.

the t -case is remaining intact, in place. Don't worry, I wouldn't think of putting a 6.2 in there without upgrading springs

Jroc81 · 02-02-2008, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XtremeMarine

Post this question on the Land Rover thread of Pirate 4x4, and you'll have an answer within a couple of hours.

Three days on pirate4x4 and not one reply... Have I secretly asked for the meaning of life? Or the location of the holy grail?

Jroc81 · 02-02-2008, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullDogSix

You could also contact Advance Adapters.Com Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters...they make all kinds of engine/trans/tcase adapter combos, but they are also a great source for info.

I gave them a call. They knew less about our t-cases than I did. The directions they pointed me in where the ones i tried before posting this. Things aren't looking too good

ArmyRover · 02-02-2008, 09:43 AM

I'd just pull the transfer case and measure it up myself if I were you. Your going to need to pull it anyways during the swap.

Jroc81 · 02-02-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyRover

I'd just pull the transfer case and measure it up myself if I were you. Your going to need to pull it anyways during the swap.

True, but if the answer can be had, by merely asking, wouldn't you?

BullDogSix · 02-02-2008, 08:34 PM

I'll be pulling my T-case and Tranny this month for replacement...if you can wait, I will measure it up while is out.

Jroc81 · 02-03-2008, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullDogSix

I'll be pulling my T-case and Tranny this month for replacement...if you can wait, I will measure it up while is out.

that, would be awesome sir

01-27-2008, 12:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jroc81 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trumbull, ct Posts: 21 Gallery: 0	B/w 1361 The Rangie's 3.9 is calling it quits. With a terminal oiling problem, several leaks that need attention and its numerous other "small issues", I have discovered that a particular engine swap will be more cost effective both in the short run and in the long run. However in order for this to happen, I need to know if any of you guys know the input shaft diameter and the spline count/depth of our Borg Warner 1361 transfer cases. Exhaustive searches online for this information have yielded no information of any real use. Someone here has to know....

01-29-2008, 02:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
XtremeMarine Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,404 Gallery: 0	Post this question on the Land Rover thread of Pirate 4x4, and you'll have an answer within a couple of hours. __________________ "In certain places, at certain hours, gazing at the sea is dangerous. It is what looking at a woman sometimes is." - Victor Hugo

01-29-2008, 07:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
hermanpj Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Plano (Dallas) Posts: 338 Gallery: 4	sounds like you might be thinking of putting a non rover engine and transmission in... do tell. __________________ Pat Herman

01-30-2008, 06:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
hermanpj Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Plano (Dallas) Posts: 338 Gallery: 4	call atlantic british, tell them you may or may not have to buy a new transfer case and you need to know this info. they might be able to tell you. worth a phone call anyway. __________________ Pat Herman

02-02-2008, 09:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
ArmyRover Rebuilding Rover Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NH Posts: 1,857 Gallery: 0	I'd just pull the transfer case and measure it up myself if I were you. Your going to need to pull it anyways during the swap. __________________ "Only two defining forces ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G.I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom." http://snhlr.org/ 91 Range Rover Classic 90 RRC Parts truck 94 Saab gas mileage beater

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01-28-2008, 10:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jroc81 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trumbull, ct Posts: 21 Gallery: 0	Someone has to know...

01-29-2008, 09:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jroc81 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trumbull, ct Posts: 21 Gallery: 0	After a lot of thought, and a lot of time spent looking at gas prices, I decided to go for the Gm 6.2l diesel. Marks 4x4 in Australia makes a gm smallblock swap kit for RR's consisting of an adapter plate. engine mounts, and a few other odds and ends, However, the entire kit, minus the engine will run you about 900 dollars shipped to your door. In the long run, it's much cheaper to buy a 6.2l diesel and a 700r4 and just fab some mounts to make it fit perfectly. I know that 700r4's had either a 27(early) or 32(late) spline output shaft. This combo was typically mated to an Np 208 t-case, in Gm trucks, which is rumored to have the same input shaft dimensions as the B/W 1361, aka our t-cases. The purpose of this thread is to find out if that rumor is true, so that I can source the correct 700r4 for the project. I'd hoped someone on here had that information...

01-30-2008, 06:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
BullDogSix RRC Owner in training Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Lower Michigan Posts: 189 Gallery: 2	You could also contact Advance Adapters.Com Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters...they make all kinds of engine/trans/tcase adapter combos, but they are also a great source for info.

01-30-2008, 12:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
carlosz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 107 Gallery: 0	odlsmobile sierra and or cuttlas calaiss had front wheel drive and came in 4d or s/w configuration and a number of those came in diesel configurations V6 to be exact. that should give you good performance and keep the weight down since the 6.2 v8 is almost 800 lbs. if you decide to go with the v8 you would have to really beef up your front springs, keep in mind that your differentials are off set so in using a different t case which may have non off set rear out-put, you will bind the rear yoke when articulating offroad and thus causing catastrophic damage..... Ihave seen it before.

02-02-2008, 08:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
BullDogSix RRC Owner in training Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Lower Michigan Posts: 189 Gallery: 2	I'll be pulling my T-case and Tranny this month for replacement...if you can wait, I will measure it up while is out.

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