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Old 01-13-2013, 10:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That 2mpg hit is a worst case scenario, usually quoted by folks comparing the figures with the optimistic factory numbers of a stock vehicle when new.

In any case, once you average out the days that the EFI gives you 6mpg because of faulty sensor readings or plugged IAC, you will most likely save on gas in the long run.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Swap in a bmw m20 and call it the next ten years of no headache efi lol that'sy plan anyway. We shall see how it actually goes since I've yet to run across anyone who has done the m20/m50 swap into an rrc. Only talked about it.

I've built an ran many m20b27's never put one in anything but an e30 or e28 but I'm certain they have the torque needed for the job. (Especially in low range) and I have never encountered one with an efi related issue that wasn't easy to diagnos


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There is one that is complete and running with the M50 over on pirate4x4.
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Swap in a bmw m20 and call it the next ten years of no headache efi lol that'sy plan anyway. We shall see how it actually goes since I've yet to run across anyone who has done the m20/m50 swap into an rrc. Only talked about it.

I've built an ran many m20b27's never put one in anything but an e30 or e28 but I'm certain they have the torque needed for the job. (Especially in low range) and I have never encountered one with an efi related issue that wasn't easy to diagnos


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Old BMW's suffer the exact same fate as old Range Rovers.........namely a once expensive and premium vehicle, requiring expensive parts to repair and service, ending up in the hands of someone under 25 (by the time it has change ownership a few times) with no idea what he is doing and no money to do it properly anyway. Huge amounts of $$ are spent on cool rims and stereo equipment while the rest of the vehicle go's to hell in a hand basket......usually the last stop before the crusher.

I used to work on tons of these and BMW's are no better than any other manufactures version of EFI during the early Nineties.
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Old BMW's suffer the exact same fate as old Range Rovers.........namely a once expensive and premium vehicle, requiring expensive parts to repair and service, ending up in the hands of someone under 25 (by the time it has change ownership a few times) with no idea what he is doing and no money to do it properly anyway. Huge amounts of $$ are spent on cool rims and stereo equipment while the rest of the vehicle go's to hell in a hand basket......usually the last stop before the crusher.

I used to work on tons of these and BMW's are no better than any other manufactures version of EFI during the early Nineties.
Due to my personal experience with the m20 m30 and m50 engines I would have to call bs on this sorry.


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Thanks army rover just found him. Boy an m50 would be nice in there and looks good too!!!


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BS on what exactly? BMW's do not get old? They do not eventually become owned by kids that can't afford to fix them correctly? That I have not, in fact, ever worked on BMW's...........or that the BMW EFI is just as fallible as any other system?

If you believe that these statements are untrue, either your "personal experience" is limited or you been drinking too much of BMW's Kool aid!
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BMW efi is far more reliable then that of the older rovers. Plain and simple.


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...and Land Rovers never rust cause they are made of aluminium!

Gimme a break.
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...and Land Rovers never rust cause they are made of aluminium!

Gimme a break.
I think you mean this facetiously but just for clarification they are in fact not made entirely of aluminum..



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Finally, somebody who speaks English! I'll have to do more thoral research on the matter, but I'd take 2 less mpg over being stranded in the bush with a busted stepper motor any day of the week
I have had both and I would not go back to a carby over an EFI. Actually just ditched the Holley on the ute and fitted EFI. Too may things to set up on a carby to get it to run correctly and they are not easy to adjust. A lot easier to set-up and tune an EFI.
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I think you mean this facetiously but just for clarification they are in fact not made entirely of aluminum..
Yeah, I know. I was being a smart arse.
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I have had both and I would not go back to a carby over an EFI. Actually just ditched the Holley on the ute and fitted EFI. Too may things to set up on a carby to get it to run correctly and they are not easy to adjust. A lot easier to set-up and tune an EFI.

I've had both too, but I like the carb better.

Maybe it's because I cut my teeth on Series Land Rovers and the tough old 2.25L 4's along with other old British and American iron and I learned about practical carb tuning on the shop floor? A skill that is rapidly becoming a lost art!
Or maybe it's because I've worked on so many Disco's and Rangies of this of age that I have become jaded? Because a 14 cux that is functioning correctly can be a very nice thing. But OEM components are expensive and the jobber stuff is crap quality and not worth fitting.

I know my way around both systems and am comfortable diagnosing problems with either. But for me, a well set up carb is preferable to EFI because it's reliable, easy to maintain with parts available anywhere and it's 100% mechanical design allows it be repaired in the field.

Do I think it's better than the EFI found on the newer products? No, but those systems are vastly improved and have much higher quality hardware and more sophisticated software.........and are not 20 years old already.

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Why don't you put twin SU's innit?
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Why don't you put twin SU's innit?
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