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Old 07-16-2006, 09:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Driving on four cylinders!

I just completed a cool mod on my newly aquired Range Rover Classic. I was a little bugged by the crappy gas milage on the truck, especially around town. I have read up on the so-called 'displacement on demand' that some of the auto manufacturer have been implementing recently on cars. The basic idea is that the car turns off some of the cylinders in the engine when it doesnt need the extra power in order to increase fuel economy.

What I did was simply switch off four of the fuel injectors on my 3.9lv8, essentially making the engine an inline 4 cylinder (although not quite since the other four cylinders still have to move up and down and act as an air pump). Anyway, the engine runs well with only four cylinders firing, and I got an extra 2mpg around town! The truck has absolutely no power whatsoever, so I certainly can't be in a rush to get anywhere, but it does make the fuel economy a little better!

The next step is to install some level sensors, tap into the RPM and throttle position, and run the system with a micro-controller so it automatically switches to 4 cylinders when I don't need the extra power...
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Old 07-16-2006, 10:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That is really cool man! What a way to make fuel efficiency good in a RRC!!

Never would've thought that DOD would ever work for a LR.

Ever hear of the concept of using water as a fuel source after going under some sort of electrolosis process and makes great for a torch?

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hmm... *strokes chin* clever. if you could work in a switch, that would be awsome.

and welcome to LRO, just so you know we're going to have to see some pics of your RRC :p
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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wow i cant beleave it worked. but what you should do now is work on the hole switch set up and sell it as a kit to work on most v-8s you could make a killing. and if you patent it more power to you
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I think there is a little more to it than sitching off the injectors. I read the article on the development of the new Hemi V8 and they also switch off the valves and the firing order and piston positions where different to other V8's to allow for one back to switch off. Maybe you should be switching off every second cylinder in firing order rather than a complete bank.

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after thinking about it for a tick, wouldn't you also have to rework the timing for it to really work propery?
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My 1980 RRC (3.5L) recently gave me a free demo of DOD when one of the plastic cups on the little tie-rod that links the two carbs broke and I lost the left bank of cylinders. My impression: You are now driving 1850 kgs of truck powered by a 1.75L motor. Could not even get byond 3rd gear, there is simply not enough power. The only way I see this working is in stop-start traffic on level ground and below 20 km/h.

Would you not also place undue strain on the components in your motor unless it was specifically made to due this? I think a chip switching it from V4to V6 to V8 would be a good idea providing that it rotates the cylinders so wear etc occurs evenly. But that is not going to work for carb motors anyway............unless you had eight carbs.
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How they actually do displacement on demand in cars (as far as I know) is they not only shut off the fuel injectors and spark, but they also disconnect the valves from the camshaft such that the cylinders which are no longer firing do not have to act as air pumps. In an IC engine there is a lot of loss, known as 'pumping losses', which occurs when the engine has to pull air in through the filter, intake, throttle body and valves and then push the exhause out of the exhaust pipe. So by disconnecting the valves and leaving them all closed when the cylinders are not firing, the engine gains a little more efficiency.

The truck definately is super slow on 4 cylinders. It wont do more than 50mph on the highway on flat ground, but if I am cruising down a hill at 65 I can switch it to 4 cylinders to save a little gas and maintain my speed. Also in traffic at slow speeds I am saving a little gas too. I would like to make it run on 4, 6 or 8 cylinders eventually if possible.

For those of you interested in more details, read further. For others who just want to see a pic of my lovely new range rover named Clifford, here ya go!





As for the timing, you actually dont have to touch it. The timing all runs off the timing belt, and everything in the engine is still functioning as it should (valves opening on time, pistons moving correctly, spark firing as it should) the only difference is that when the engine computer sends the signal to the fuel injectors, they dont open, and dont let any fuel in the cylinder. The engine doesnt even know the difference!

I think you guys are right in that if I didnt just switch off a whole bank, it might be able to run smoother, but I did one bank for 2 reasons: 1) it was easy since the injectors on each side have common grounds, and 2) there is an oxygen sensor on each bank of cylinders, so if I switch off only a few cylinders on one side of the engine, the air/fuel ration (which is ideally 14.7lbs of air for 1lb of fuel) will be wrong in that bank. This is because the engine expects all four cylinders on that side to be firing. So I suspect that the engine controls each set of four cylinders seperately from its respective O2 sensor. Therefore if 2 cylinders were pumping air and two were buring fuel the O2 sensor on that side would think that only half of the fuel that should be burned was being burned (and it would be correct, only 2 out of 4 are buring fuel). But the engine would assume that instead of 2 out of four cylinders burning fuel, all four woudl eb burning half the fuel they were supposed to, and register a 'lean' mixture condition. This means that there is too much air and not enough fuel for proper combustion. It would then try to put more fuel into those cylinders, which in reality would just make the two that were firing correctly have twice the fuel they needed, know as a 'rich' condition. Spark plug fouling among other problems would then occur.

Another advantage of the four cylinders is that when I am driving, I have my foot down on the gas pedal waaay further than I do with 8 cylinders. This initially sounds like it might just counteract the fact that I am running four cylinders, but in actuality it makes the engine as a whole more efficient. Again, it is because the 'pumpin losses' that occur in an engine. The more opent he path is from the outside air into the engine (i.e. and open throttle), the more efficient it will be since the engine does not have to use a lot of power to pull the air into itself. So it helps doubly!

Sorry for the long explaination, but I actually have put a lot of thought into this project! I definately want to figure out how to do 4 6 or 8 cylinders and have different amount of power for when I need it. I guess I could call it 'Power on demand' or 'Power Now'.
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check it out, it's Hollister!

dude, you should hit up www.lrrforums.com there's a lot of guys in your area, and they usually do a trip about once a month.
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