No Start. Help I need to get to work. - Land Rovers Only

robbiewsmith · 09-19-2006, 08:13 PM

I have an 89 Classic. It stalled out at a stop light after about 5 mins of driving, needed gas put some in it and after that it would start sometimes and when I would give it gas it would die out. This is what I have done so far in order. Drained the gas, (do not know why) nothing happened. Checked the fuel pump and filter it is all good. Changed the Idle control valve, nothing changed. Changed spark plugs, started up like a charm, then back to dying out. Changed coil, nothing happened. Changed Idle control module, nothing changed. Changed dist cap, nothing. The car will not even start now, at first it would start and idle erratically, give a little gas no problem, lay the hammer down and it would die. Now it will not even start. There is a little blue spark occassionally on the plug but it is very small and erratic. I do not have the tools or for that matter even know what to do to test the output of the wires and the like.
Please help me I have gone as far as I can. Maybe it was a bad decision for a daily driver, but I always had like this car and it was a graduation present to myself.
I have also checked all of the fuses in the fuse box and they are all fine...any suggestions,

Frustrated,

Robbie

tlry00 · 09-19-2006, 08:42 PM

Alternator! I'll bet $$$ on it

sevenrover · 09-20-2006, 08:57 AM

Yeah, I would say, alternator, MAF, or ECU, but your MAF and ECU are highly unlikely.

stevo-II · 09-20-2006, 02:01 PM

So is the stock ignition system on the RRC just really sensitive to the voltage level supplied to it??? - ie does it work fine at 13.8 volts and then crap out at 12V - I read on rangerovers.net about a guy who swapped in a MSD setup - supposedly it was stable at down to 5-6V or so, this guy claimed that eliminated the driveability issues with a marginal alternator.....

Steve

robbiewsmith · 09-20-2006, 04:44 PM

So how would an alternator, cause there to be no spark on the spark plug? Especially with no previous charging problems? If I jump it off it won't run either.

OkieRover · 09-20-2006, 06:48 PM

So do you have spark at the coil?
Do you have spark on the plugs?
Check the fuses.

robbiewsmith · 09-20-2006, 07:20 PM

yes I have spark at the coil, but no or very little spark at the plug, So what fuse might it be? - other than the ones in the dash?

OkieRover · 09-21-2006, 01:40 PM

I was thinking the ones in the dash.
So the coil spark is a nice and healthy one?

robbiewsmith · 09-21-2006, 04:53 PM

yeah the coil is brand new, however the rotor on the distributor seems to be stuck, in the manual it says that that the distributor rotor should move then spring back due to a spring in the distributor, have any of you ever heard of that?

robbiewsmith · 09-23-2006, 08:26 PM

Thank you for your posts, but I fixed it today!! needed a new rotor on the distributor...should have checked that first but now the car has alot of new parts!!! Oh yeah if you need a idle control valve you can get one just about anywhere...it is the same as an 89 Astro Van...imagine that.

FlyWheel · 09-23-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by robbiewsmith

Thank you for your posts, but I fixed it today!! needed a new rotor on the distributor...should have checked that first but now the car has alot of new parts!!! Oh yeah if you need a idle control valve you can get one just about anywhere...it is the same as an 89 Astro Van...imagine that.

I imagine if you to the ford Dealer and buy one for the Astro van, it would be half as much........

Thanks for that data though....good to know...

OkieRover · 09-24-2006, 09:21 PM

The Air Idler is also the same as a 95 S-10. And cheap that way.

09-19-2006, 08:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
robbiewsmith Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	No Start. Help I need to get to work. I have an 89 Classic. It stalled out at a stop light after about 5 mins of driving, needed gas put some in it and after that it would start sometimes and when I would give it gas it would die out. This is what I have done so far in order. Drained the gas, (do not know why) nothing happened. Checked the fuel pump and filter it is all good. Changed the Idle control valve, nothing changed. Changed spark plugs, started up like a charm, then back to dying out. Changed coil, nothing happened. Changed Idle control module, nothing changed. Changed dist cap, nothing. The car will not even start now, at first it would start and idle erratically, give a little gas no problem, lay the hammer down and it would die. Now it will not even start. There is a little blue spark occassionally on the plug but it is very small and erratic. I do not have the tools or for that matter even know what to do to test the output of the wires and the like. Please help me I have gone as far as I can. Maybe it was a bad decision for a daily driver, but I always had like this car and it was a graduation present to myself. I have also checked all of the fuses in the fuse box and they are all fine...any suggestions, Frustrated, Robbie

09-20-2006, 08:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
sevenrover I'd Rather Push a Landrover than Drive a Jeep Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Durban, South Africa, 'til 2009. Then Back to Salt Lake. Posts: 71 Gallery: 0	Yeah, I would say, alternator, MAF, or ECU, but your MAF and ECU are highly unlikely. __________________ 1991 RRC 2 1989 RRC's 1998 RR P38A 1967 SIIA 88 1969 SIIA 88 1967 SII 109 1971 Vampire Radio Body 101FC

09-20-2006, 02:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
stevo-II WWTSD? (what would Tony Soprano do?) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 115 Gallery: 0	So is the stock ignition system on the RRC just really sensitive to the voltage level supplied to it??? - ie does it work fine at 13.8 volts and then crap out at 12V - I read on rangerovers.net about a guy who swapped in a MSD setup - supposedly it was stable at down to 5-6V or so, this guy claimed that eliminated the driveability issues with a marginal alternator..... Steve __________________ 2001 D2 -The Stevo-II 1992 RRC-The Stevo-I

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09-19-2006, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
tlry00 Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 30 Gallery: 0	Alternator! I'll bet $$$ on it

09-20-2006, 04:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
robbiewsmith Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	So how would an alternator, cause there to be no spark on the spark plug? Especially with no previous charging problems? If I jump it off it won't run either.

09-20-2006, 07:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
robbiewsmith Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	yes I have spark at the coil, but no or very little spark at the plug, So what fuse might it be? - other than the ones in the dash?

09-21-2006, 04:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
robbiewsmith Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	yeah the coil is brand new, however the rotor on the distributor seems to be stuck, in the manual it says that that the distributor rotor should move then spring back due to a spring in the distributor, have any of you ever heard of that?

09-23-2006, 08:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
robbiewsmith Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5 Gallery: 0	Thank you for your posts, but I fixed it today!! needed a new rotor on the distributor...should have checked that first but now the car has alot of new parts!!! Oh yeah if you need a idle control valve you can get one just about anywhere...it is the same as an 89 Astro Van...imagine that.

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