5" lift ...

[AZROVER]

I'm kinda leaning towards the 2" body lift also to go with my 2" OME. My biggest issue with body lifts is that your bumpers are going to sit 2' lower than your hood and tailgate. All my pickup drivin' buddies remedied theirs with diamond plate or some other guady looking material. But more importantly do you get all your frame mounted armour to fit flush after a body lift?
Hope this isn't too off topic.

[SCSL]

Originally Posted by 01001010

...then I come along, with my 30.5 MTs, and two other guys in early 90s Cherokees on 35' MTs with open axles and make it through with a little extra effort.

See, JC, that's where your logic deteriorates---- wheelin' with Jeepers??? That's just plain wrong...

[01001010]

Originally Posted by SCSL

See, JC, that's where your logic deteriorates---- wheelin' with Jeepers??? That's just plain wrong...

lol...thanks to JupiterRover and a few other from here...that will all change. The most off roading that nearly all Rovers see down here is the dirt parking lots at the county Fair once a year...lol

[afirover]

Originally Posted by natvboy

AFI - did you custom fab that rear bumper with winch mount? I want one!! Love the front bumper design as well - products of yours?? Going back and reading through all of this has me all screwed up again on size I want to go with. Think I'll take the winter to decide (my money in the winter is dedicated to hitting the slopes!)

Robert

yes the rear was/is a once off custom bumper and the front is a arb with a cut job


they both work well

[Badger1]

Originally Posted by 01001010

Badger, while I normally like to remain neutral and listen to what everyone has to say and learn from it all...this time I'm going to have to go with P76...

In mud, I've been with Jeepers on 40"+ biggers and crazy-high lifts, running spools, and they've been stuck...then I come along, with my 30.5 MTs, and two other guys in early 90s Cherokees on 35' MTs with open axles and make it through with a little extra effort. IMHO..anything running tires larger than 35 that ISNT a crawler is overkill...unless of course you're going to be boggin through mud holes with mud 40"s deep.

Keep in mind that Camel trucks were almost stock underneath, obviously fitted with HD springs. Tires were not that much larger than stock...look at what those trucks could do.

My bottom line is...if your truck is a daily driver, and sees action on different terrain...no need to go so big.

Well made point, but to each there own. No need for the "build it for the girls" comment. I was just being a smartass for smartasses sake! I put the smiley face in there to indicate that.

You wanna see overkill?! Hows about this swamp runner I saw last week back home? Built for the southern end of the trail I was on, no Disco could even have a chance down there......none! Yes that is a Ford Ranger,LOL!!!!

[p76rangie]

SCSL, If this gallery you will find many D11's running Simex tyres that have an actual rolling diametre of 34.5 inches. At most, some of them have 50mm spacers in their springs.
http://gallery.d2au.com/main.php?g2_itemId=533

The photos of the D1 earlier in this thread proves the lack of articulation caused by the springs. That is, the wheels will not tuck up into the guards and as soon as the wheel drops the springs dislocate. You might as well have blocks of steel in there rather than springs. The basic flaw in your logic is the rating of the springs. To get the height increase from springs they increase the lbs per inch rating of them. I would gues that the ones in the white Disco are over 300 lbs per inch. The standard fronts should have been around 150 lbs per inch. I do not know the exact figures, but you would have roughly 800 lb per corner on the disco. That means that when all the weight is on one wheel, there would be 1,600 lb on one spring and zero on the other. So this give the weight range of the spring. Therefore the standard spring at 150 lb per inch will expand and contract close to 11 inches. The 300 lb springs would only move a bit over 5 inches. That is why you have to run dislocation cones with those big spring lifts. However, when the spring is dislocated, it is not offering and stability to that corner of the car. Also because it takes so much weight to get the wheel to tuck up, it tends to tilt the car over rather than compress. Then you have the centre of gravity raised up to the gods. So you end up with a car with a high centre of gravity and is therefore more likely to role, fitted with springs that want to try and tip it over and offer not counterlever to try and hold the car on its wheels. such a car is unstable and you would not find me in it.

In regard to terrain, we have the lot. Rocks, mud, sand, snow, etc, etc. Therefore our 4WDs have to be set up to handle the lot and not just for one.

[SCSL]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

SCSL, If this gallery you will find many D11's running Simex tyres that have an actual rolling diametre of 34.5 inches. At most, some of them have 50mm spacers in their springs.

I'm not sure I understand.
Are you advocating standard ride-height springs with spacers over taller springs? And what about the picture I posted of the blue DII, which clearly shows axles fully articulating/tires fully tucking, while the rig remains virtually horizontal?

I understand the general point about suspension that is overly high for the overall engineering of the vehicle. I also understand the point about cones, which I think are generally frowned upon Stateside, for the reasons you mention. But none of this changes the fact that there are many vehicles with 5" suspension lifts that are very well engineered, and very stable. I have provided 2 examples. There is also the issue of progressive rate springs...

[p76rangie]

My comments in this thread were mainly about the white D1. I cannot tell much about the D2 you listed. The photo shows it with opposite wheels (front to rear) on high ground. This will always cause the vehicle to sit level. The wheels are not tucked into the guards as much as you will see in the gallery of D2's I listed. I also cannot see whether the springs have dislocated on the dropped wheels. Basically I cannot tell enough from the photos to come to any conclusion about the suspension set up.

Spacers at least keep the full movement of the spring. I do not recommend spacers generally, however I do have ONE on my rangie to correct the usually lean that Rangies have. The use of spacers in D2's are limited to those with airbags in the rear. Most of the guys have longer springs made up. They fit the 34.5 inch Simexs on D2's which have a ride height only 5mm higher than the range set by Landrover. The ride height being the distance from the lip of the guard to the centre of the wheel. You certainly do not require a 5 inch lift to fit them.

I have never said that I am against changes to springs. The springs I run give me bump stop clearances in the back on slightly over 5 inches and slightly over 3 inches in the front. I also have a 2inch body lift and have increase the offset of the wheels. What I do advise aginst is the use of heavy springs and excessive lifts through springs.

In regard to comments by others regarding body lifts and lining up the bumpers, you simply make up brackets to move the bumpers back up with the body.

Ian

[p76rangie]

These photos are of a D2 with relatively standard suspension running Simex with a rolling diametre of 34.5 inches. the first photo is a clear shot of how far the tyre will tuck up into the guards.

Ian

[Funrover]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

These photos are of a D2 with relatively standard suspension running Simex with a rolling diametre of 34.5 inches. the first photo is a clear shot of how far the tyre will tuck up into the guards.

Ian

The pic posted by SCSL has just as much tuck as yours.......... So what is the big difference? I do not like going 5" personally and that is my choice... However if you like it and it works for your purpose that's enough...... Haveing talked to people with that lift that use it ....they love it.. it did cost a fair share and a lot of work was needed...... But they have no regrets at all....... well.....except one.. Not doing it sooner!

[01001010]

Hey Ian..lol..Tell Simon he needs some PowerSteering fluid in his truck!...Thanks for sharing the albums!

[afirover]

don't beat it till you try it

[Funrover]

Originally Posted by afirover

don't beat it till you try it

Ian always seems to be mad at someone........

[p76rangie]

Funrover, I am not mad at anyone. I have only just made some comments. Disagreeing with someone does not mean that you are mad with them. I think you should look at the pictures again if you think that the two D2's tuck the wheels up the same amount. Compare the top of the wheel and the location of the wheel nuts. The top of the wheel on the blue D2 is still below the top of the wheel arch.

I am glad you like your set-up.

Ian

[Funrover]

If i read the post right the blue one has 33....which are more than likely 32"............ yours are 34.5 on less lift..... I am sorry if I miss understood you.. you seem to be upset at a lot of changes people make.........