5" lift ...

[p76rangie]

I am sorry Funrover, but I am not sure what point you are making. My point in posting the photos of the black D2 was that you can fit nearly 35 inch tyres and have better articulation on a D2 without doing a 5 inch spring lift.

The only time that I get upset is when people make bold statements with little or nothing to back it up. I will always attempt to explain why I believe something to be better or worse. As in this thread I have not said simply that 5 inch spring lifts are crap, I have attempted to explain why I do not believe they are required and some of the issues they can cause. I usually do not comment on areas where I agree with other posts. Therefore the posts of mine that you read may tend to be disagreeing with what someone else has said. But is that not what people on this forum want. That is, to get as many views as possible nad make up their own mind.

You have commented on the expense in doing such an exercise. The question is whether that money could be better used on other mods.

Ian

[nfrey2]

Now I will admit those 5" springs are designed with having a loaded vehicle in mind, thus the higher rate. I did the math to figure out what displacement and rate I would need to get the lift and travel I wanted without dropping a spring. Even got a quote on them, I can just put more crap in my truck to deal with the higher rates than pay what they want for custom wound springs.

Larger tires were the deciding factory here, close but no tipping.



My buddy brought up another reason why he took the leap to 35's, he was tired of having to wash his carpets out after a ride in good ole swampy Florida.

This picture it looks like the springs are compressing as much as stockers, the wheel is not as far in as it would be with the factory springs. But remember this there is a whole lotta quater panel gone from that wheel arch. And the tires still rub, and are even cutting the tires a little.

[p76rangie]

Nic, the wheel movement on the disco appears reasonable. But has it improved with all the mods done. Here are some photos of mine with only a 2 inch lift. The amount of fender that is cut away is about the same as the disco. I also have a 2 inch body lift that raises the wheel arches further. The photos do not show my car on full articulation, it was just the best I could do with what I had to raise the wheels on the day. The wheels go up and down by a further 1 to 2 inches over that in the photos. I could improve it further but I just get the car in the garage now with its height. So I have deiced not to go any bigger with tyres or lifts.

Ian

[nfrey2]

Yeah I love to look of your Rover, and I wish those Simexs were DOT approved. Much more aggressive look than Intercos, IMO.

I will probably go the same route as you have once I can bring up the courage to remove that much body panel.

Dang, what is about noon in Australia now?

[Funrover]

Originally Posted by nfrey2

I will probably go the same route as you have once I can bring up the courage to remove that much body panel.

X2.....................

[p76rangie]

It is currently 2pm so we are about 10 years and 15 hours ahead of the states.

Ian

[Funrover]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

It is currently 2pm so we are about 10 years and 15 hours ahead of the states.

Ian

[p76rangie]

Nic, here is a close but not tipping and one to prove that Disco's go to sleep at night as well. I am the one with the back to the camera and relecting light off my head. I got him back on his feet with only a small mark about the size of a 10 cent piece just behind the front lights on the fender.

[Choqiees]

shit...that second picture is plain scary!

[Badger1]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

It is currently 2pm so we are about 10 years and 15 hours ahead of the states.

Ian

Now that's just plain fucked up right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[afirover]

yea more stable set up

[John C]

Originally Posted by p76rangie

It is currently 2pm so we are about 10 years and 15 hours ahead of the states.

Ian

Good one Ian!!!

[Hank]

Up travel so so over-rated. Stuffing a tire is not doing a thing for you, Ian. Take a look at any rockcrawler or well build rig; the bump stops are mounts within 2" of the axle. This allows the wheel being tucked up to hit the bump stop suddenly, and begin applying force to the opposite side - thus more traction.

On my truck, loaded down, the bumps stops are within 1" of the axle. I've applied so much force to one side before, that the round 1/4" spring retainer (bigger in diameter than the spring) actual spread the spring open and popped out. That's not going to happen on a truck where the axle is just "floating" on the springs. When the spring popped out, that wheel lost it's traction.

All the "up travel" is only going to screw you. If this Travis' bronco had more up-travel in the rear, he would have rolled:


Same story with Kevin's Heep:


Now, just because you're limiting the upward movement, does not mean you're loosing "stability". That wheel is going to tuck no matter what you. Only now, it's going to pivot on your bump stop.

In this picture, the drivers side wheel is bumped on the bump stop. The force is pushing the passengers side wheel down, and pivoting the drivers wheel up and into the fender. Does it look unstable?

I wish I had pictures of my new set-up in situations like this to help you better understand.

But, here is a D1, 5" lift, 35" tires. Very little fender trimming needed with D2 fender flares.




Then, notice how much tripping I needed with a 3" spring, 1" spacer, and 2" body lift to fit 35's. It's a big difference.



Only thing I agree with you on is fitting the biggest tire possible with the least amount of lift.

[01001010]

just wanted to compliment everyone's lack of disses...keep the communication skills up! It's become a really good thread!

[Funrover]

Originally Posted by Hank

Up travel so so over-rated. Stuffing a tire is not doing a thing for you, Ian. Take a look at any rockcrawler or well build rig; the bump stops are mounts within 2" of the axle. This allows the wheel being tucked up to hit the bump stop suddenly, and begin applying force to the opposite side - thus more traction.

On my truck, loaded down, the bumps stops are within 1" of the axle. I've applied so much force to one side before, that the round 1/4" spring retainer (bigger in diameter than the spring) actual spread the spring open and popped out. That's not going to happen on a truck where the axle is just "floating" on the springs. When the spring popped out, that wheel lost it's traction.

All the "up travel" is only going to screw you. If this Travis' bronco had more up-travel in the rear, he would have rolled:


Same story with Kevin's Heep:


Now, just because you're limiting the upward movement, does not mean you're loosing "stability". That wheel is going to tuck no matter what you. Only now, it's going to pivot on your bump stop.

In this picture, the drivers side wheel is bumped on the bump stop. The force is pushing the passengers side wheel down, and pivoting the drivers wheel up and into the fender. Does it look unstable?

I wish I had pictures of my new set-up in situations like this to help you better understand.

But, here is a D1, 5" lift, 35" tires. Very little fender trimming needed with D2 fender flares.




Then, notice how much tripping I needed with a 3" spring, 1" spacer, and 2" body lift to fit 35's. It's a big difference.



Only thing I agree with you on is fitting the biggest tire possible with the least amount of lift.

And that is why I am getting new bump stops.......... I recentley went to a rock race and did some searching............ Now I need to find 5" bump stops!