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p76rangie · 10-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Upward movement is just about how much total articulation you have. By maximising your upward movement you are increasing the articulation while maintaining the centre of gravity as low as possible.

Ian

Ares · 10-18-2006, 05:46 PM

I must admit, this has been a great thread. Im putting the finishing mods on my Discovery and with a 3" RTE suspension lift and 34s my attention has been towards making the truck more stable during offcamber situations. The OHV park I frequent is absolutely loaded with offcamber. Nearly every trail has an offcamber spot heading up to and/or after the obstacle. Because my truck is so tall these spots ocassionally prevent me from even getting to the obstacle. This thread has given me great ideas on where to start. Such as offset rims, extended bumpstops (currently mine are stock), etc.

Here is an example. Earlier this year with my old OME HD suspension and 32s. This trail called "dog leg" has 2 offcamber spots. I usually have to change my shorts afterwards. There is always a sense of tipping over and Im hoping the offset rims and extended bumpstops will help.

This is entering the trail. Doesnt look that bad, and granted Im a more of a pussy in my old age, but it still is challenging even for the Jeeps I ride with.

Its all because of a stump in this pic, which has left a nice dent in my drivers door a couple years ago.

And the "knee" part of the trail where it gets freaky tippy in a OME HD. Too spooked from the last time to try it with the RTE setup until I get a handle on the stability of the truck.

I know it doesnt look bad from the pics, but it has given many well modded trucks some serious fits.

Any other ideas of ways to stabilize a tippy Disco? I couldnt imagine doing this trail in a 5" sprung Disco.

Actually that wheel standing spot can be made easier by realligning the truck, but that's no fun. Heck these spots arent even the real threat, thats the incline at the end of the trail.

p76rangie · 10-18-2006, 06:03 PM

On side slopes heavier springs are probably an avdvantage as it will stop the weight transfer dropping the low side of the vehicle further. But in the wheel lifting situation soft springs will keep the vehicle lower and more stable. So a compromise may be softer springs with polyairs in the rear. Therefore you can pump up the polyairs and make the car stiffer for the side slopes. For side slopes also make sure that you keep the tyre pressures up. This makes the car more stable and will reduce the drop on the lower side.

But the side slopes you have in your photos are well within the capabilities of the Disco (even if it does not feel so from the driver's seat). I would simply put some decent sidebars (steps, see photo of my Rangie) to protect you from the banks and stumps.

Ian

Hank · 10-18-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p76rangie

Upward movement is just about how much total articulation you have. By maximising your upward movement you are increasing the articulation while maintaining the centre of gravity as low as possible.

Ian

I don't think you understand. Even though the bump stops limit the axle from "floating" up, it's not hurting your "tuck". The tire goes in almost sideways because it pivots on the bump stops.

Next time I'm in town (maybe Friday), I'll stop in at a friends and ramp up on the RTI ramp to show you.

This is the ramp I use, I can score a 950 with retained 3" springs.

Also, if Articulation made you more stable, what about guys with cones? Are they more stable?

SCSL · 10-19-2006, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ares

Any other ideas of ways to stabilize a tippy Disco?

Your Disco shouldn't be tippy with your current set-up, though it may feel that way at times. One idea may be to add some off-set wheels to widen your stance.

p76rangie · 10-19-2006, 06:09 AM

Hank, I do not know why I ever question your wisdom. Those idiots that think you get leverage from the long end of a lever obviously never talked to you. Obviously they should be using the short end of the lever. You should never trust those engineers, they get it wrong every time. From now on I will accept every thing you say and just let logic and common sense go out the window.

Ian

Hank · 10-19-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by p76rangie

Hank, I do not know why I ever question your wisdom. Those idiots that think you get leverage from the long end of a lever obviously never talked to you. Obviously they should be using the short end of the lever. You should never trust those engineers, they get it wrong every time. From now on I will accept every thing you say and just let logic and common sense go out the window.

Ian

One of these days you'll shut up and listen.

Look at all that travel!!! He must have what, 4"???
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyiHUfz...buggy3_jpg.jpg

Hmmmm, wonder why he would go through the trouble to attack a winch to the rear axle?
http://http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9i...uggy_winch.jpg

More bump stop.
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby6BfgT...8-02-02lrg.jpg

Those shocks will alow a TON of up-travel. boy, that thing it going to be unstable, huh!!!
http://www.4wheelers.com/old/pfwsroc...15-02-0lrg.jpg

I'm betting no, but maybe you can understand this picture. If there were a bumpstop on the right rear, the truck would not lean over so far. But, the front right and left rear would continue to fall (whithin the springs limits). And, if the body was not leaning over so far, like in this picture, the spring would not be maxxed out, and he could continut to drive farther up the ramp.
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9iby4Okgz...iculation2.jpg

01001010 · 10-19-2006, 08:13 AM

I spoke too soon

Funrover · 10-19-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 01001010

I spoke too soon

It happens.......

FrankyRizzo · 10-20-2006, 11:17 AM

I personally would go to 3" maximum. I am not a big fan of body lifts because I have seen them shear off in a wreck.

We have a guy in our Rover group with 5" lift and it seems everytime he goes out to an event he rolls it. It looks cool but the body damage is adding up.

Hank · 10-20-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo

We have a guy in our Rover group with 5" lift and it seems everytime he goes out to an event he rolls it. It looks cool but the body damage is adding up.

Pics!

afirover · 10-20-2006, 04:51 PM

I couldnt imagine doing this trail in a 5" sprung Disco

hey you are not that far from me ill come down and run that thing with ovis1 w/5"'s of lift let me know when
I'll come play

FrankyRizzo · 10-20-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Pics!

Don't get me wrong you work hard and play harder.

If I am not mistaken he got some major damage at RR6 as well.

Here he is at Vegas Trek.
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/vegas..._0075_jpg.html
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/vegas..._0078_jpg.html

A whole ago at a night run.
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/night..._0125_jpg.html
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/night..._0127_jpg.html

Hank · 10-21-2006, 07:56 AM

Good god! Those spacers look like 31x31.50's!

I met one of those guys at MAR from KMC. Think I even bought a shirt from him. His other stuff was questionable....Nice guy, though.

Funrover · 10-21-2006, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo

Don't get me wrong you work hard and play harder.

If I am not mistaken he got some major damage at RR6 as well.

Here he is at Vegas Trek.
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/vegas..._0075_jpg.html
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/vegas..._0078_jpg.html

A whole ago at a night run.
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/night..._0125_jpg.html
http://lrclv.com/photos/images/night..._0127_jpg.html

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!! He never widen his track..WOW!!!!!!!!!! Didn't he also flop over at Nat'l Rally not long ago?

10-18-2006, 05:46 PM	#77 (permalink)
Ares Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama and Kentucky Posts: 155 Gallery: 0	I must admit, this has been a great thread. Im putting the finishing mods on my Discovery and with a 3" RTE suspension lift and 34s my attention has been towards making the truck more stable during offcamber situations. The OHV park I frequent is absolutely loaded with offcamber. Nearly every trail has an offcamber spot heading up to and/or after the obstacle. Because my truck is so tall these spots ocassionally prevent me from even getting to the obstacle. This thread has given me great ideas on where to start. Such as offset rims, extended bumpstops (currently mine are stock), etc. Here is an example. Earlier this year with my old OME HD suspension and 32s. This trail called "dog leg" has 2 offcamber spots. I usually have to change my shorts afterwards. There is always a sense of tipping over and Im hoping the offset rims and extended bumpstops will help. This is entering the trail. Doesnt look that bad, and granted Im a more of a pussy in my old age, but it still is challenging even for the Jeeps I ride with. Its all because of a stump in this pic, which has left a nice dent in my drivers door a couple years ago. And the "knee" part of the trail where it gets freaky tippy in a OME HD. Too spooked from the last time to try it with the RTE setup until I get a handle on the stability of the truck. I know it doesnt look bad from the pics, but it has given many well modded trucks some serious fits. Any other ideas of ways to stabilize a tippy Disco? I couldnt imagine doing this trail in a 5" sprung Disco. Actually that wheel standing spot can be made easier by realligning the truck, but that's no fun. Heck these spots arent even the real threat, thats the incline at the end of the trail. __________________ War Eagle!!!

10-19-2006, 08:13 AM	#83 (permalink)
01001010 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 4,524 Gallery: 15	I spoke too soon __________________ JC... 1996 Discovery SE - The Blue Marlin - gone =( 1965 Series IIa 109 RHD 2.25L Dsl - Wilks 1965 Series IIa 88' LHD 2.25L Petrol - Fionna

10-20-2006, 11:17 AM	#85 (permalink)
FrankyRizzo Austin "Danger" Powers Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sin City Posts: 854 Gallery: 0	I personally would go to 3" maximum. I am not a big fan of body lifts because I have seen them shear off in a wreck. We have a guy in our Rover group with 5" lift and it seems everytime he goes out to an event he rolls it. It looks cool but the body damage is adding up. __________________ 94 Disco Make something idiot proof and they will build a better idiot.

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10-18-2006, 05:10 PM	#76 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 2,031 Gallery: 0	Upward movement is just about how much total articulation you have. By maximising your upward movement you are increasing the articulation while maintaining the centre of gravity as low as possible. Ian

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10-18-2006, 06:03 PM	#78 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 2,031 Gallery: 0	On side slopes heavier springs are probably an avdvantage as it will stop the weight transfer dropping the low side of the vehicle further. But in the wheel lifting situation soft springs will keep the vehicle lower and more stable. So a compromise may be softer springs with polyairs in the rear. Therefore you can pump up the polyairs and make the car stiffer for the side slopes. For side slopes also make sure that you keep the tyre pressures up. This makes the car more stable and will reduce the drop on the lower side. But the side slopes you have in your photos are well within the capabilities of the Disco (even if it does not feel so from the driver's seat). I would simply put some decent sidebars (steps, see photo of my Rangie) to protect you from the banks and stumps. Ian

10-19-2006, 06:09 AM	#81 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 2,031 Gallery: 0	Hank, I do not know why I ever question your wisdom. Those idiots that think you get leverage from the long end of a lever obviously never talked to you. Obviously they should be using the short end of the lever. You should never trust those engineers, they get it wrong every time. From now on I will accept every thing you say and just let logic and common sense go out the window. Ian

10-20-2006, 04:51 PM	#87 (permalink)
afirover AFIROVER Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: INDY IN Posts: 229 Gallery: 0	I couldnt imagine doing this trail in a 5" sprung Disco hey you are not that far from me ill come down and run that thing with ovis1 w/5"'s of lift let me know when I'll come play

10-21-2006, 07:56 AM	#89 (permalink)
Hank Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: VA Posts: 914 Gallery: 0	Good god! Those spacers look like 31x31.50's! I met one of those guys at MAR from KMC. Think I even bought a shirt from him. His other stuff was questionable....Nice guy, though.

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