Body Lift Question - Land Rovers Only

LAYDOUT777 · 03-07-2006, 11:22 PM

Hey, I just recently purchased my first Land Rover, a '97 Discovery with 2inch RTE Spring and OME shocks. The driveshaft has already been replaced with a u-joint shaft. Im planning on getting the 2inch rovertym body lift so i can fit some bigger tires, but wasnt sure what to do about the 2inch gap in the bumpers? What size tires will i be able to fit with the 2inch spring lift and 2inch body lift?

I also plan on eventually adding more suspension components such as rear links, extended shocks, cones, shock mounts, brake lines, front radius arms, ect. to gain more articulation. Any other suggustions?

Does anyone make wide fender flairs for discoverys? I havnt been able to find any. Also, where i can purchase black steel rims for my rover?

Im sure most of this has been covored before, but i couldnt find any direct information.

Thanks a lot!

Funrover · 03-07-2006, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAYDOUT777

where i can purchase black steel rims for my rover?

www.gulfcoastrovers.com

Bene · 03-07-2006, 11:49 PM

im pretty sure DAP has fender flares.

300bhp/ton · 03-08-2006, 08:33 AM

Devon 4x4 sells wheel arch flares i'm sure they'd courier them out to you if you couldn't find them else where.

You should be able to get 33" tyres on with the stock suspension and wheel arch flares, you just have to do a bit of cutting to the arches. Also you'll want some wheel spaces or heavily off set rims else you won't have much steering lock.

Personally I'm none too keen on the body lift idea at all, and certainly wouldn't do it to mine.

If you want more axle articulation have a look at www.scorpion-racing.com they offer two kits. The EXTREME kit is the one to go for as it offers 3" lift and 3" droop capability.

You can run 35" tyres on a Discovery but you run out of room in the front wheel arch which will limited wheel travel, if you can go without that extra bit of clearance then 33" tyres work well.

Here's mine on 33" Simet Jungle Trekker II's with stock suspension:

Here's a discovery on 33" with the EXTREME suspension kit:

I'm pretty sure this one is on 35" tyres, but as you can see it has some major wheel arch flares on it. It also has the EXTREME suspension kit on it:

LRDisco94 · 03-08-2006, 09:18 AM

You should check this web site out...
this is the homepage
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/

but this is the link to the fender flares.. they look like the ones you can buy at autozone or something im not sure, but you can def e-mail them they will respond
*fender flares*
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech.html

Hank · 03-08-2006, 09:20 AM

With 2" springs and 2" body lift, a 255/85/16 is about all you'll get in there. With stock wheels, they will rub on the frame at full turn. The Gulf Coast Rovers wheels are "ok", but not great. They are lug centric. If you can swing it, a hug centric wheel is the way to go, but costs a little more.

Forget the fender flares.

If I were you, I'd forget about the BL, and just get some 3" springs. It may cost more in the long run, but the advantage of the BL is not really that great. Just cheaper.

300bhp/ton · 03-08-2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank

With 2" springs and 2" body lift, a 255/85/16 is about all you'll get in there.

You can get 31/10.50 in there ALL stock. All you need do to is remove the plastic lower spoiler on the front bumper.

Here's my Discovery on BFG A/T's 31/10.50R15 on 15x8j rims:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank

With stock wheels, they will rub on the frame at full turn.

You just need to wind the steering stops out a bit but it will limit your turning circle a better bet is to run wheel spacers or different off set rims.

AAXD · 03-08-2006, 04:24 PM

Try www.roversnorth.com or www.roverparts.com for the rims. They both sell Wolf wheels which are the strongest rover wheel you can get. I wouldn't reccomend a body lift either. Most spring lifts up to 3" are perfectly civilised on the road. You could also keep your 2" lift and add spring spacers for an added inch of lift. Wheel spacers will help return the steering to normal when using larger diameter tires and they also make the vehicle more stable at high speed. As mentioned earlier fender flares will require some cutting of the body. Up front this is not so bad but in the rear the door will need to be cut into as well as the inner wheelarch. The rear wheels on lifted discos with ovesize tires are the main source of rub on uncut bodies. Some of the rubbing can be cured by adding a spacer between the inner mudguard and outer fender at the rear of the rear wheelarch, pushing the rear quarterpanel out. Up front, not much can be done besides cutting the fender a bit wider.

LAYDOUT777 · 03-08-2006, 06:09 PM

Alright so no body lift. Id like to fit a 285-75 tire under it. Scorpion racing has no prices, how much do the evo and extreme kits go for? What else would i need to buy to complete either of those kits? Im pretty limited to money right now, so i dont really want to upgrade straight to complete kit. Id like to get it up enough to get 285-75's then upgrade the articulation little by little as the money rolls in. I was thinking of starting out with 3in rte springs, rear links, extended shocks, cones, brake lines, and maybe front radius arms?

I dont mind cutting the body and doors for the fender flairs.

Also, on the steel wheels, do i have to get special wheels? I just like the look of the black steel D-hole wheels like this http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fin...uck&st=Classic

Im brand new to rovers.....obviously...
Thanks agian!

Hank · 03-08-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton

You can get 31/10.50 in there ALL stock. All you need do to is remove the plastic lower spoiler on the front bumper.

You just need to wind the steering stops out a bit but it will limit your turning circle a better bet is to run wheel spacers or different off set rims.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.... A 255/85 is a 33" tire, not a 31x10.50.

Running your steering stops kinda defeats the propose, IMO. A new set of wheels is the best bet. Spacers scare me.

p76rangie · 03-08-2006, 10:32 PM

A body lift allows you to fit bigger tyres without mucking up your drive line of castor on the front wheels. It also gives the car better stability as it keeps the centre of gravity lower than a spring lift. You should limit your spring lift to around 3 inch bump stop clearance in the front and 5 in the back.

But by most people a change in springs will allow you to fit any tyre you want, go around corners at 100 mph and allow you to go over rocks like you are on a flying carpet.

Ian

John C · 03-09-2006, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAYDOUT777

Alright so no body lift. Id like to fit a 285-75 tire under it. Scorpion racing has no prices, how much do the evo and extreme kits go for? What else would i need to buy to complete either of those kits? Im pretty limited to money right now, so i dont really want to upgrade straight to complete kit. Id like to get it up enough to get 285-75's then upgrade the articulation little by little as the money rolls in. I was thinking of starting out with 3in rte springs, rear links, extended shocks, cones, brake lines, and maybe front radius arms?

I dont mind cutting the body and doors for the fender flairs.

Also, on the steel wheels, do i have to get special wheels? I just like the look of the black steel D-hole wheels like this http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fin...uck&st=Classic

Im brand new to rovers.....obviously...
Thanks agian!

Hi and welcome to the LR world.

The Evolution kit is $945 and the Extreme kit is $3,100.

Tell us why you want to install bigger tires and we'll try to help you decide what mods you need.
Tell us what kinda wheelin' you'll be doing (terrain, hardcore, etc).

Enjoy your Rover!

LAYDOUT777 · 03-09-2006, 05:14 PM

Ok, well its my daily driver, but i dont really drive that far, except the occasional 2 1/2 hour drive to the snow, or the beach. As far as wheeling, im definatly planning on offroading, but most likley nothing as extreme as that yellow disco a few posts up... I'll be doing a bit of sand and mud driving, as thats about all there in my area...and when i go to the the sand dunes for dirtbiking or whatever. Id like to run some rocks and mountain trails....but im pretty sure the Extreme kit is way more than i will actually need.

I like the body lift because its cheap, and doesnt change all the driveline angles and whatnot, and the center of gravity wouldnt be as high as a taller spring lift. Whats the major downsides?

Muddy Oval · 03-09-2006, 07:23 PM

It's SO much easier to put on new springs and shocks than to do a body lift. The aftermarket springs and shocks will make the truck a better driver, where a body lift won't. I can't imagine doing a body lift over a suspension kit, especially a matched set that works well.

LAYDOUT777 · 03-10-2006, 01:23 AM

Well as i said in my first post, my disco already has RTE 2inch heavyduty springs, and OME shocks, and it rides great...

And i dont think ill be able to fit the size tires i want by replacing the springs i have with 3inch springs.

I also thought about the 2inch spring spacers that rovertym has, but really didnt want to deal with driveline angles and having to fix all those problems too. And if i were to go this route, what exactly would i have to fix to get the angles correct?

03-07-2006, 11:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
LAYDOUT777 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethel Island, CA Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Body Lift Question Hey, I just recently purchased my first Land Rover, a '97 Discovery with 2inch RTE Spring and OME shocks. The driveshaft has already been replaced with a u-joint shaft. Im planning on getting the 2inch rovertym body lift so i can fit some bigger tires, but wasnt sure what to do about the 2inch gap in the bumpers? What size tires will i be able to fit with the 2inch spring lift and 2inch body lift? I also plan on eventually adding more suspension components such as rear links, extended shocks, cones, shock mounts, brake lines, front radius arms, ect. to gain more articulation. Any other suggustions? Does anyone make wide fender flairs for discoverys? I havnt been able to find any. Also, where i can purchase black steel rims for my rover? Im sure most of this has been covored before, but i couldnt find any direct information. Thanks a lot!

03-07-2006, 11:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bene Magicly Delicious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,030 Gallery: 0	im pretty sure DAP has fender flares. __________________ Kevin Owning a Land Rover is like dating a super model. Sure she has expenive tastes, complains a lot, and requires constant attention... but damn... 1994 Discovery

03-08-2006, 09:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
LRDisco94 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 495 Gallery: 0	You should check this web site out... this is the homepage http://www.eastcoastrover.com/ but this is the link to the fender flares.. they look like the ones you can buy at autozone or something im not sure, but you can def e-mail them they will respond fender flares http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech.html __________________ -LRDisco94- www.floridalandroverclub.com

03-08-2006, 04:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
AAXD Goofing off in the great white north. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Alaska's Emerald Isle Posts: 619 Gallery: 1	Try www.roversnorth.com or www.roverparts.com for the rims. They both sell Wolf wheels which are the strongest rover wheel you can get. I wouldn't reccomend a body lift either. Most spring lifts up to 3" are perfectly civilised on the road. You could also keep your 2" lift and add spring spacers for an added inch of lift. Wheel spacers will help return the steering to normal when using larger diameter tires and they also make the vehicle more stable at high speed. As mentioned earlier fender flares will require some cutting of the body. Up front this is not so bad but in the rear the door will need to be cut into as well as the inner wheelarch. The rear wheels on lifted discos with ovesize tires are the main source of rub on uncut bodies. Some of the rubbing can be cured by adding a spacer between the inner mudguard and outer fender at the rear of the rear wheelarch, pushing the rear quarterpanel out. Up front, not much can be done besides cutting the fender a bit wider. __________________ "A deep respect for tradition allows vision for liberation from stagnation." Colin's Toys: 1972 Series III 88" 1997 Discovery XD 1993 RRC (Gone to a better place, goodbye old friend) 1983 Stage 1 109" 2002 Trek 4500 2005 Necky Looksha Sport 2007 Rans Rocket 2007 Honda Ruckus

03-09-2006, 07:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Muddy Oval Otherwise known as STEVE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,968 Gallery: 0	It's SO much easier to put on new springs and shocks than to do a body lift. The aftermarket springs and shocks will make the truck a better driver, where a body lift won't. I can't imagine doing a body lift over a suspension kit, especially a matched set that works well. __________________ 2002 Freelander 2000 DII w/CDL 1967 SIIA 109SW Former Rovers 2004 Modded "S" Disco, R.I.P. 2004 G4 Disco 2002 Modded Freelander 1995 Modded Disco 1994 D-90 #8 1993 NAS D110 1990 Range Rover County 1973 SIII 88 1972 Range Rover 2 door

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03-08-2006, 08:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
300bhp/ton The Best 4X4XFar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: England, home of the Land Rover Posts: 598 Gallery: 0	Devon 4x4 sells wheel arch flares i'm sure they'd courier them out to you if you couldn't find them else where. You should be able to get 33" tyres on with the stock suspension and wheel arch flares, you just have to do a bit of cutting to the arches. Also you'll want some wheel spaces or heavily off set rims else you won't have much steering lock. Personally I'm none too keen on the body lift idea at all, and certainly wouldn't do it to mine. If you want more axle articulation have a look at www.scorpion-racing.com they offer two kits. The EXTREME kit is the one to go for as it offers 3" lift and 3" droop capability. You can run 35" tyres on a Discovery but you run out of room in the front wheel arch which will limited wheel travel, if you can go without that extra bit of clearance then 33" tyres work well. Here's mine on 33" Simet Jungle Trekker II's with stock suspension: Here's a discovery on 33" with the EXTREME suspension kit: I'm pretty sure this one is on 35" tyres, but as you can see it has some major wheel arch flares on it. It also has the EXTREME suspension kit on it:

03-08-2006, 09:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hank Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: VA Posts: 914 Gallery: 0	With 2" springs and 2" body lift, a 255/85/16 is about all you'll get in there. With stock wheels, they will rub on the frame at full turn. The Gulf Coast Rovers wheels are "ok", but not great. They are lug centric. If you can swing it, a hug centric wheel is the way to go, but costs a little more. Forget the fender flares. If I were you, I'd forget about the BL, and just get some 3" springs. It may cost more in the long run, but the advantage of the BL is not really that great. Just cheaper.

03-08-2006, 06:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
LAYDOUT777 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethel Island, CA Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Alright so no body lift. Id like to fit a 285-75 tire under it. Scorpion racing has no prices, how much do the evo and extreme kits go for? What else would i need to buy to complete either of those kits? Im pretty limited to money right now, so i dont really want to upgrade straight to complete kit. Id like to get it up enough to get 285-75's then upgrade the articulation little by little as the money rolls in. I was thinking of starting out with 3in rte springs, rear links, extended shocks, cones, brake lines, and maybe front radius arms? I dont mind cutting the body and doors for the fender flairs. Also, on the steel wheels, do i have to get special wheels? I just like the look of the black steel D-hole wheels like this http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fin...uck&st=Classic Im brand new to rovers.....obviously... Thanks agian!

03-08-2006, 10:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
p76rangie Ian Matthews Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 1,900 Gallery: 0	A body lift allows you to fit bigger tyres without mucking up your drive line of castor on the front wheels. It also gives the car better stability as it keeps the centre of gravity lower than a spring lift. You should limit your spring lift to around 3 inch bump stop clearance in the front and 5 in the back. But by most people a change in springs will allow you to fit any tyre you want, go around corners at 100 mph and allow you to go over rocks like you are on a flying carpet. Ian

03-09-2006, 05:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
LAYDOUT777 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethel Island, CA Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Ok, well its my daily driver, but i dont really drive that far, except the occasional 2 1/2 hour drive to the snow, or the beach. As far as wheeling, im definatly planning on offroading, but most likley nothing as extreme as that yellow disco a few posts up... I'll be doing a bit of sand and mud driving, as thats about all there in my area...and when i go to the the sand dunes for dirtbiking or whatever. Id like to run some rocks and mountain trails....but im pretty sure the Extreme kit is way more than i will actually need. I like the body lift because its cheap, and doesnt change all the driveline angles and whatnot, and the center of gravity wouldnt be as high as a taller spring lift. Whats the major downsides?

03-10-2006, 01:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
LAYDOUT777 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethel Island, CA Posts: 6 Gallery: 0	Well as i said in my first post, my disco already has RTE 2inch heavyduty springs, and OME shocks, and it rides great... And i dont think ill be able to fit the size tires i want by replacing the springs i have with 3inch springs. I also thought about the 2inch spring spacers that rovertym has, but really didnt want to deal with driveline angles and having to fix all those problems too. And if i were to go this route, what exactly would i have to fix to get the angles correct?

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