First time on the side of the road. - Land Rovers Only

texasrover · 03-11-2006, 05:25 PM

I have driven my 98 Disco for over 160K miles. Today was the first time I have ever had to pull it over on the side of the road. Sad, just simply sad.

Coming home from a day out with the family (Ikea). It suddenly just started putting along. Slowing Slowing Slowing... to a crawl. I could let it idle and it would roll on its own but to give it gas only made things worse. I could let it set for a while and start it up... pull away like nothing was wrong... then putt putt putt. We did get stuck in stop and go traffice for a while before it started this crap...

No codes, no pending codes.... Tranny fluid looked good, oil clean as ever... no over heat, no smells... nothing. It will start right up and idle for a bit... after a while with revs it would peter out again. Let sit, and start all over.

I think it is starving for fuel... I am going to change the fuel filter this evening and see what happens.

Anything else I can look at??? Damnit, I dont have any codes... those things atleast point you in a direction. I hope it is not the stinking fuel pump. Well then again, better that than something internal (engine).

Thanks for any tips.
Richard

roverX · 03-11-2006, 06:36 PM

There's yer problem right there...IKEA???

My money is on the fuel filter.

LRDisco94 · 03-11-2006, 06:42 PM

Check your fuel pressure - on the fuel rails where your injectors are - its goning to be on the left side, there should be a cap that looks like the cap on your tire - screw it off and then push your finger or whatever to see if gas sprays out if it sprays then you got pressure, also let it run a little bit - dont do it when it was sitting all night warm it up a bit if you still can

GooD Luck

Rovin4life · 03-11-2006, 07:53 PM

leave the fuel pressure gauge on to see if it drops when it dies.

I suspect it wont. In fact it should stay the same for the entire time it starts and dies.

You could have a problem with the stepper motor.

RageRover · 03-11-2006, 07:57 PM

I wonder..........no maybe I don't, I believe there is a relay for the fuel pump, and maybe, just maybe, not sure, the MAP sensor is messing up to the point where it allows the truck to run, but at this point shuts off the fuel pump relay. Similar thing happened on other fuel infected, er um fuel INJECTED vehicles,

but look into that, the computer probably wouldn't get a code from it neither.

Also check for the basic things, you know what they are, fuel, spark, air, etc..

Good luck man

texasrover · 03-12-2006, 11:21 AM

Well, I went for a little drive late last night to pick up the fuel filter... damn thing ran like nothing was wrong. I changed the filter anyways to be sure... will test it out this afternoon.

ish · 03-12-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by texasrover

Well, I went for a little drive late last night to pick up the fuel filter... damn thing ran like nothing was wrong. I changed the filter anyways to be sure... will test it out this afternoon.

sounds like fuel pump to me...tired....once it gets behind....it's f'd

texasrover · 03-12-2006, 12:12 PM

You might be right about that... it has lasted me many miles.

I suppose it would not hurt to change that out seeing it has given me plenty of travel till now.

I was curious if the pump could began to fail without stalling the engine... maybe only fail maintaining higher demand. Even at it worse yesterday, it would idle just fine and coast but when I touched the gas it began to pudder.

I will certianly look into that. Thanks.

roverX · 03-12-2006, 12:25 PM

How long does a fuel pump usually last?

Badger1 · 03-13-2006, 01:30 PM

Had the same type of problem you had, turned out to be the crank position sensor. Good luck!

Funrover · 03-13-2006, 01:31 PM

Sorry to hear that man..... You will be back up and going in no time!!

jhmover · 03-13-2006, 06:38 PM

My 77 Scout did that, was fuel filter. Only time my D2 left me by the side of the road was blew a trans cooler hose.

freeflytim · 03-13-2006, 09:49 PM

Or VSS. Common symptoms. Search DWEB.

texasrover · 03-14-2006, 09:08 PM

Sorry it took so long to get back to this...

I did change out the filter. The gas from the filter looked like old tea. I put a bottle on the end of the hose to catch some fuel, cycled the pump, it came out clean. I guess I pulled the big dumbass neglect on the filter.

I have had it out several times on the highway running 70 for a few miles but nothing like the trip to hell (Ikea) I took last week.

Hopefully the filter will do the trick this time. Maybe I dodged a bullet on this one.

Thanks for the input guys, I have my eye on that pump though.

If this pump does go bad is it all or nothing or can I catch the symptoms early?

Bene · 03-15-2006, 01:38 AM

glad it was just a filter. if i were you i would run a good sized dose of injector cleaner.

03-11-2006, 05:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
texasrover Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas Posts: 490 Gallery: 0	First time on the side of the road. I have driven my 98 Disco for over 160K miles. Today was the first time I have ever had to pull it over on the side of the road. Sad, just simply sad. Coming home from a day out with the family (Ikea). It suddenly just started putting along. Slowing Slowing Slowing... to a crawl. I could let it idle and it would roll on its own but to give it gas only made things worse. I could let it set for a while and start it up... pull away like nothing was wrong... then putt putt putt. We did get stuck in stop and go traffice for a while before it started this crap... No codes, no pending codes.... Tranny fluid looked good, oil clean as ever... no over heat, no smells... nothing. It will start right up and idle for a bit... after a while with revs it would peter out again. Let sit, and start all over. I think it is starving for fuel... I am going to change the fuel filter this evening and see what happens. Anything else I can look at??? Damnit, I dont have any codes... those things atleast point you in a direction. I hope it is not the stinking fuel pump. Well then again, better that than something internal (engine). Thanks for any tips. Richard __________________ That is not a leak! That is undercarriage rust inhibitor. 98 Discovery

03-11-2006, 06:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
roverX Elephantitis penisitis Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,439 Gallery: 0	There's yer problem right there...IKEA??? My money is on the fuel filter. __________________ What? Is this where I'm supposed to write some profound statement that boggles the intellect of the genius that you think you are? Why would I waste my time with that when I can be getting free lap dances from your sister AND your girlfriend at the same time?

03-11-2006, 06:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
LRDisco94 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 497 Gallery: 0	Check your fuel pressure - on the fuel rails where your injectors are - its goning to be on the left side, there should be a cap that looks like the cap on your tire - screw it off and then push your finger or whatever to see if gas sprays out if it sprays then you got pressure, also let it run a little bit - dont do it when it was sitting all night warm it up a bit if you still can GooD Luck __________________ -LRDisco94- www.floridalandroverclub.com

03-11-2006, 07:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
RageRover Crazy about Rovers and more... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Westland, MI Posts: 2,889 Gallery: 0	I wonder..........no maybe I don't, I believe there is a relay for the fuel pump, and maybe, just maybe, not sure, the MAP sensor is messing up to the point where it allows the truck to run, but at this point shuts off the fuel pump relay. Similar thing happened on other fuel infected, er um fuel INJECTED vehicles, but look into that, the computer probably wouldn't get a code from it neither. Also check for the basic things, you know what they are, fuel, spark, air, etc.. Good luck man __________________ Pat Albaugh, Midwest Moderator "Diffage" -the point at which the truck's differential makes contact with the ground. http://www.cardomain.com/id/RageRover42Visit my RRC and others here!(updated as of September 15, 2006) 1995 RRC LWB -LT265/75R16 Pathfinder All Terrains -RTE 2" Lift Springs -Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks (from DAP Enterprises) -KMC Front Diff Guard -4 Desert Fox 55 watt Lighting -Radio Shack CB Radio (never know when signal fails on a cell phone) -2 Halogen Super Sport 100 watt forward lights -Custom slim style front bumper w/ integrated bull bar -Lowe's Special "Homemade" Snorkel -T-Case out of an 92' RRC

03-12-2006, 11:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
texasrover Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas Posts: 490 Gallery: 0	Well, I went for a little drive late last night to pick up the fuel filter... damn thing ran like nothing was wrong. I changed the filter anyways to be sure... will test it out this afternoon. __________________ That is not a leak! That is undercarriage rust inhibitor. 98 Discovery

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03-11-2006, 07:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rovin4life Former NAS LR TECH, Current AUS LR TECH Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DOWN UNDER Posts: 1,884 Gallery: 0	leave the fuel pressure gauge on to see if it drops when it dies. I suspect it wont. In fact it should stay the same for the entire time it starts and dies. You could have a problem with the stepper motor.

03-12-2006, 12:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
texasrover Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas Posts: 490 Gallery: 0	You might be right about that... it has lasted me many miles. I suppose it would not hurt to change that out seeing it has given me plenty of travel till now. I was curious if the pump could began to fail without stalling the engine... maybe only fail maintaining higher demand. Even at it worse yesterday, it would idle just fine and coast but when I touched the gas it began to pudder. I will certianly look into that. Thanks. __________________ That is not a leak! That is undercarriage rust inhibitor. 98 Discovery

03-12-2006, 12:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
roverX Elephantitis penisitis Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,439 Gallery: 0	How long does a fuel pump usually last? __________________ What? Is this where I'm supposed to write some profound statement that boggles the intellect of the genius that you think you are? Why would I waste my time with that when I can be getting free lap dances from your sister AND your girlfriend at the same time?

03-13-2006, 01:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Badger1 Forward! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Loo-eee-ville, KY Posts: 2,163 Gallery: 1	Had the same type of problem you had, turned out to be the crank position sensor. Good luck!

03-13-2006, 06:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
jhmover Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 310 Gallery: 0	My 77 Scout did that, was fuel filter. Only time my D2 left me by the side of the road was blew a trans cooler hose.

03-13-2006, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
freeflytim Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 46 Gallery: 0	Or VSS. Common symptoms. Search DWEB. __________________ -Tim 97 & 05 Discos

03-14-2006, 09:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
texasrover Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas Posts: 490 Gallery: 0	Sorry it took so long to get back to this... I did change out the filter. The gas from the filter looked like old tea. I put a bottle on the end of the hose to catch some fuel, cycled the pump, it came out clean. I guess I pulled the big dumbass neglect on the filter. I have had it out several times on the highway running 70 for a few miles but nothing like the trip to hell (Ikea) I took last week. Hopefully the filter will do the trick this time. Maybe I dodged a bullet on this one. Thanks for the input guys, I have my eye on that pump though. If this pump does go bad is it all or nothing or can I catch the symptoms early? __________________ That is not a leak! That is undercarriage rust inhibitor. 98 Discovery

03-15-2006, 01:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
Bene Magicly Delicious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,030 Gallery: 0	glad it was just a filter. if i were you i would run a good sized dose of injector cleaner. __________________ Kevin Owning a Land Rover is like dating a super model. Sure she has expenive tastes, complains a lot, and requires constant attention... but damn... 1994 Discovery

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