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Which bull bar bumper non winch to get?

Looking for a winchless bumper with bull bar for the D2, with or without headlight protection. I like the TJM. Or just a Bull bar. Options? Recommendations.
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I asked this question and other questions about bull bars and was ignored.

I am being told it depends on the year of your Rover. One guy said a 2004 LR Bullbar will fit a 1999 LR Bullbar. Some other thread said it won't. I don't know what a "TJM" is. All I know is I hate the ARB Bull bars. They are basic, ugly looking, and expensive.

You're not saying what year you Rover is but I'm told one thing than another. At this point I think my safest option is to buy a 1999 Bullbar (very ugly) from a junkyard and restore it. Grind off the rust, paint thick and gloss. Maybe cut out the metal lamp guards.

I found a really cool bullbar online for an 04.... it's made from metal and rubber and polyester.. but I cannot give you the link until I get an answer if it will fit on the 1999 because I want it on my rig.
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The answer is unless you really need one, do not put one on.
Car manufacturers are trying to make their cars lighter and lighter for better performance and fuel economy. Then on 4WDs the owners insist on adding a lot of weight in the form of roof racks, bull bars, rear bars, larger heavier tyres, etc, etc. Then they complain about the fuel economy and performance.
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The answer is unless you really need one, do not put one on.
Car manufacturers are trying to make their cars lighter and lighter for better performance and fuel economy. Then on 4WDs the owners insist on adding a lot of weight in the form of roof racks, bull bars, rear bars, larger heavier tyres, etc, etc. Then they complain about the fuel economy and performance.
You really need one.

1) They look awesome
2) They protect the car from accidents

There are some stories about Rover owners getting into 35MPH accidents head on that were saved with a Bull bar. They are super cool and were included as an option when these cars were originally sold.


I feel Land rover shoud've used a V10 or V12 to accomodate. But car manufacturers want to build the cheapest car for the biggest profit.
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The answer is unless you really need one, do not put one on.
Car manufacturers are trying to make their cars lighter and lighter for better performance and fuel economy. Then on 4WDs the owners insist on adding a lot of weight in the form of roof racks, bull bars, rear bars, larger heavier tyres, etc, etc. Then they complain about the fuel economy and performance.
How is a fully loaded Land Rover (bull bar, lift, mud tires, roof rack, snorkel, guards, jerry cans etc.) any different than a Land Rover full of passengers? weight is weight ..
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....They are super cool and were included as an option when these cars were originally sold.
IMO beside that they are ugly they restrict 1/4 of the air flow through the radiator or even more if spots are fitted there too... i'd not put one on other than a safari or pure off-road vehicle, it seems that they are not ''cool'' at all: Crash or Bull Bars Cause More Danger than they Prevent | Advanced Drivers of North America
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How is a fully loaded Land Rover (bull bar, lift, mud tires, roof rack, snorkel, guards, jerry cans etc.) any different than a Land Rover full of passengers? weight is weight
What's fitted on the vehicle is permanent and added to the passenger's weight while passengers are sporadic, i agree that weight is weight but putting extra weight on a vehicle just for the cool look of of it should be illegal IMO(as it is in some states of the world)... the braking distance is increased by unnecessary extra weight and the vehicle can become a danger for others cos it's loaded with all kind of useless crap just to have a "macho" look

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Looking for a winchless bumper with bull bar for the D2, with or without headlight protection. I like the TJM. Or just a Bull bar. Options? Recommendations.
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LOL, guys my truck will be used in Puerto Rico, where a big storm devastated the island. We own a house there near the beach. I will be driving to beaches that have no roads, with branches and other obstacles and things that my D2 will need protection for in the front. I will also be adding lights on the bumper since the island has weekly lights out and I will need that to see where I am going in the forest areas when its pitch dark. This bumper is not for looks, but a necessity.
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There are some stories about Rover owners getting into 35MPH accidents head on that were saved with a Bull bar.
Do you actually believe this stuff.
The D1 onwards have an invention called airbags that are designed to act at a certain time after impact down to the millisecond. Bull bars alter the crush characteristics of the car and can affect when the airbag should be deployed and when it is actually employed. So having a bullbar can actually increase your chance of injury rather than reduce it. You are going to want those airbags to work properly if you hit something solid at 35mph. But if you are talking about a "head on" at 35mph, it means that the other car was probably doing 35mph as well, giving a combined speed of 70mph.

Then there is the issue of a front corner impact. Without a bullbar you will replace the headlight, hood, front guard, etc. With a bull bar you will bend the chassis and start looking for another vehicle. Of course steel flexes and you will still most likely be up for the other parts as well.
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There are some stories about Rover owners getting into 35MPH accidents head on that were saved with a Bull bar. They are super cool and were included as an option when these cars were originally sold.
I'd be interested in knowing where some of these stories came from? It changes your safety system.

Also WLA, when are you going 35 MPH, aside from Starting and Stopping? At 90-100 MPH, that bull bar doesn't do diddly squat.

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LOL, guys my truck will be used in Puerto Rico, where a big storm devastated the island. We own a house there near the beach. I will be driving to beaches that have no roads, with branches and other obstacles and things that my D2 will need protection for in the front. I will also be adding lights on the bumper since the island has weekly lights out and I will need that to see where I am going in the forest areas when its pitch dark. This bumper is not for looks, but a necessity.
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Does not sound like you are going to hit anything too solid, so maybe you should look for a aluminium or plastic bullbar.
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Does not sound like you are going to hit anything too solid, so maybe you should look for a aluminium or plastic bullbar.
Land Rover Discovery ECB Alloy Bullbar Nudge Bars Bull Bars Series Series 2 (2/99 -10/02)
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I am fine with lighter Bull bars, but those are in Australia, not in the US. Been trying to find them here. I was originally just looking for a brush bar A bar just for the front.
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I am fine with lighter Bull bars, but those are in Australia, not in the US. Been trying to find them here. I was originally just looking for a brush bar A bar just for the front.
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I am not sure what you have in the US. You listed TJM which is an Australian company, ARB is also an Australian company. So it seems like you get a lot of Australian product there.
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I'd be interested in knowing where some of these stories came from? It changes your safety system.

Also WLA, when are you going 35 MPH, aside from Starting and Stopping? At 90-100 MPH, that bull bar doesn't do diddly squat.
This website. For starters, And various other comments Iv'e been reading. Thousands and thousands.


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You really need one.

1) They look awesome
2) They protect the car from accidents

There are some stories about Rover owners getting into 35MPH accidents head on that were saved with a Bull bar. They are super cool and were included as an option when these cars were originally sold.


I feel Land rover shoud've used a V10 or V12 to accomodate. But car manufacturers want to build the cheapest car for the biggest profit.
I understand what dave is looking for and sounds like he needs a tough, lightweight bumper

"Off-road use" not to look cool, not to "pose" and "look cool " driving on paved roads.
Heavy duty bumpers are not designed to strengthen a vehicle in a collision and really the do not. Manufacturers have designed crush zones to protect occupants not to protect vehicles adding what is basically a battering ram to the front of your vehicle can actually do more damage than a stock bumper.

Heeps with ever ridiculous aftermarket dodad available are common in my area and in my opinion should be made illegal in some cases. The combination of big tires, suspension lifts and add on stinger bumpers are in my opinion weapons!

Vehicle manufacturers need to meet standards so vehicles hit bumper to bumper (to some extent) ..... What happens when you increase height by 3" or more and get involved in a collision? BAD NEWS!!!!

Don't be this guy
And please feel free to share where you read they reduce damage in a collision, I can't recall reading many positive except for "real offroad use"
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