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You can use your phone to email those pics to yourself. Download the pics on your computer. Then upload the pics into a program like imgur and post them to the forum. You post the by copying the url into the text box where you make comments. So:


Comment, comment, comment. Url

Click on Submit Reply. When you open that post again, the pic will be there instead of an url.
I figured out how to do it on 1 phone but not the other which contains video of the damage. Still working on that.
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Can't get the phone to email the videos. Only 3/10 came through. This is nothing. This is only 3 photos this is nothing compared to the rest. I will try to upload the video here for a better view.

The copper pipe that has a pinch in it .. what does that go to? Is that something I'll need to replace too or can I leave it like that .
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That sucks - bad luck. The clutch in my RR failed and the fan locked on once. It absolutely roared and I was really glad it didn't shed all the blades or have some other catastrophic problem. This is one of the main reasons I dumped a viscous clutch fan and did my electric conversion in my Disco.

I did some Googling and found that there are two places besides the dealer that specialize in LR: Kensington Motor Cars and Desert Oasis European Auto Service and Repair. There's Land Rover Las Vegas as well. One of them should be able to help you.

After this nightmare is over I'm going electric. I'm not going to re-install the fan or fan clutch. If it did it once .. it can do it again. This is probably right up there with replacing the front drive shaft.

Will the car throw codes with the fan and clutch missing?
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Am I gonna need to replace the water pump pulley ? Land Rover wants $250 for a pulley .. I'll get it if I need it but not sure if I do..

Has anyone heard of the Artex Water Pumps ? Are they better than the Land Rover pumps?
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Nothing to do with codes unless you fit a too weak electric setup then it will overheat

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Am I gonna need to replace the water pump pulley ? Land Rover wants $250 for a pulley .. I'll get it if I need it but not sure if I do..

Has anyone heard of the Artex Water Pumps ? Are they better than the Land Rover pumps?
I don't know if you are going to need to replace it or not. Take off the fan clutch and inspect the pulley. It's possible it broke at the pump and you don't need to replace the pulley - just the pump. If you have to buy a new one, maybe shop around a scrap yard a bit if it turns out you need one?

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I purchased 2 electric fans that zip tie onto the radiator but never got around to installing them.
Zip tying them to the radiator will give you two cooled spots; right in front of the fans. This will be a reduction in cooling over a fully shrouded fan / radiator. Best to do something like I did that integrates a shroud. If you must zip tie them and don't want to make a shroud work, I suppose I'd choose spots that aren't covered by the AC aux fan so when your ac is on you get the most cooling possible without a shroud. Here's a link of a step-by-step of what I did to install a shrouded dual-fan setup in my Disco. It includes the exact fans I used which are much cheaper now than when I bought them.

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I have no idea. If they do the improvement is negligible. It does warm up quicker.

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Nope. It knows nothing about the fan. There are no sensors or anything.

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Not for an electric fan install, unless the explosion trashed it. The viscous fan just screws to the water pump and the pulley bolts to the pump with three bolts. The problem could very well have trashed your water pump's bearings so it'd be a good idea to replace that as well.

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Ok so I duct taped her back together (so to speak) filled up the oil, coolant and transmission (duct taped all the gashes) replaced my BRAND NEW destroyed BOSCH MAF with the spare backup, replaced the T-Stat with the spare back up, tried to clean up as much oil and coolant off the engine as possible, I MAF electrical cleaner on all the connections, - removed whats left of the fan and clutch - and fired her up ..

The water pump is making a noise, and there are multiple codes, she is losing power, stalling and coming back and there is a loud rapping noise coming from the top of the cylinders somewhere.. I shut it off in panic. Got codes 1884, 9200, 8104 and some more ..

I'm waiting for the new parts to arrive and will do the best I can.

Also - Rover may have been driven 1000-2000 feet without oil - because it obviously all just came out as I was driving.
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Does anyone know what the pinched copper hose is on photo #2 ?
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Follow the damaged lines and see what they go to / attach to BUT if they are damaged they need to be repaired.
Water pump makes noise = STOP
Engine noise =STOP
Leaking oil, Coolant, trans fluid, power steering fluid (all run through lines in that area = STOP
Missing, damaged cooling fan = STOP
Driven maybe 1/2 mile ???? Without oil???? After it went off like a bomb and something blew through the hood?
= _________ (you can fill in your own answer)
Loosing power and stalling?
Really can’t believe you would drive it!
Hoping I misunderstood what you wrote.

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Follow the damaged lines and see what they go to / attach to BUT if they are damaged they need to be repaired.
Water pump makes noise = STOP
Engine noise =STOP
Leaking oil, Coolant, trans fluid, power steering fluid (all run through lines in that area = STOP
Missing, damaged cooling fan = STOP
Driven maybe 1/2 mile ???? Without oil???? After it went off like a bomb and something blew through the hood?
= _________ (you can fill in your own answer)
Loosing power and stalling?
Really canít believe you would drive it!
Hoping I misunderstood what you wrote.


Obviously it's damaged. There is an indention on it. Do you know what it is or no ?


I was on a NARROW mountain road. Barely enough for 2 cars. Curving around the mountain with road warning signs. I could not just stop there. A car would've rear ended me for sure. It was a safety issue. I had to limp to a safer area up the road. So I was able to limp up, I don't know how long. Maybe 1/8 mile or less maybe more I don't remember. I did NOT KNOW it was leaking oil. I actually thought it was the front drive shaft. I did not notice the oil light until it was stopped.
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I understand that you had to get off the road and limp to a safe place to stop but your most recent post describes patch work and replacement with spares, lack of power, bad water pump and concerning internal noises as well as codes.

Sure sounded like you drove it again ( noises, leaks and missing parts) but driven. Again my apologies if I misinterpreted your meaning.

Your Pictures are not super detailed but if they cross under the fan shroud they are likely engine oil cooler lines. Following the lines and seeing what they attach to will verify what they are.
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I understand that you had to get off the road and limp to a safe place to stop but your most recent post describes patch work and replacement with spares, lack of power, bad water pump and concerning internal noises as well as codes.

Sure sounded like you drove it again ( noises, leaks and missing parts) but driven. Again my apologies if I misinterpreted your meaning.

Your Pictures are not super detailed but if they cross under the fan shroud they are likely engine oil cooler lines. Following the lines and seeing what they attach to will verify what they are.
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Dude, I did not patch it up with duct tape and drive it again with no oil. I am not that stupid ..

So your saying that copper line that u turns into some unit is an oil cooler line .. so I need to get this fixed or it will overheat the oil.

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Check for yourself what it attaches to.
Then you will know how to describe it when you go to order the replacement.
How do you know if its loosing power or setting new codes without driving it?
Also the codes you listed are gibberish.
Proper “P” codes will help.

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Check for yourself what it attaches to.
Then you will know how to describe it when you go to order the replacement.
How do you know if its loosing power or setting new codes without driving it?
Also the codes you listed are gibberish.
Proper ďPĒ codes will help.
CEL light is on. Codes are 1884, 9200, 8104.
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