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First Time Disco 2 Buyer

Hey all, I’m new to the forum as I’ve finally decided to take the plunge and hunt for a LR for some off-road/overlanding this year.

I’ve been in love with the safari lunchbox look of the discos since I was a kid, so for better or worse, I think I have to do it. Haha.

In a perfect world I’d like to score a ‘04 as they “seem” to have dodged some of the more consistent mechanical failures not related to neglected maintenance. This of course, could just be an urban legend. I’m hoping you guys can confirm or deny that for me.

Additionally, I’m trying to determine what primary concerns I should have when shopping for a used, higher miles disco 2. Beyond the obvious tell tale signs of future frustration.

The question: What are some consistent things that seem to become problematic at or around the 100k mark that I should be looking for/prepared for?

And maybe the more subjective question is: If you are regularly trail running your D2 rigs, are you satisfied with them?

I realize these are kind of arbitrary question - I’m really just looking for owners perspectives on things that you guys have seen/experienced. I am mechanically inclined, and am willing to invest the time and money needed into maintaining these wallet drainers, but also want to avoid any avoidable heartbreak if at all possible. Full disclosure, my mechanical experience comes by way of Honda’s and Audi’s - never Land Rovers. I’m just not as cued in to the nuances of LR’s mechanical needs as I want to be. In due time I have zero doubt. Haha.

Appreciate the advice - and look forward to interacting on here in the coming months as I undoubtably will be converting a stock disco 2 into a dedicated overland rig to chew through some dirt. Woot!
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Appreciate the advice - and look forward to interacting on here in the coming months as I undoubtably will be converting a stock disco 2 into a dedicated overland rig to chew through some dirt. Woot!
I'll share my 'opinion' so take it for what it's worth.

I love mine for trail riding. I have a winch and find myself having to pull my wife's Jeep out more than using it to become unstuck myself.

I don't think you are spot-on with the idea '04 being without issue or at least minimal. I personally keep away from '03 and '04 because of the cooling issues they had; HOWEVER, if you are going for high-mileage and find one that has had a minimal amount of work AND runs great, go for it? Just make sure whoever had it took care of the cooling system. That's the number 1 killer on our trucks - improper or just lack of upkeep on the truck and the cooling system. Once you have one that is running good, it's fairly easy to keep up with BUT it is definitely a money pit because when it's running, it's a beast and when it's not...well, love/hate.

I'd also stay away from Secondary Air if you can. It's a real knuckle buster when changing your wires or anytime you are working around behind the plume. If you have to get a truck with Secondary Air, I'll expect a email from you saying you should have listened to me, after the fact. My favorite years are all Disco's up-to and including 2002 w/o ACE or SAS. I tend to skip 03/04 due to the much documented issues with dropped sleeves on these, but again, with the miles you are looking at, you may be OK there. I like LR3 and LR4 as well and there are a couple people on this list who do a lot of trail riding with those and they perform well too.

Honestly, you should spend some time on the list reading strings once you start to track down the truck you want. Get a idea of the common issues etc. We're here to help when we can on whatever you do get.

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Appreciate the advice - and look forward to interacting on here in the coming months as I undoubtably will be converting a stock disco 2 into a dedicated overland rig to chew through some dirt. Woot!
I'll share my 'opinion' so take it for what it's worth.

I love mine for trail riding. I have a winch and find myself having to pull my wife's Jeep out more than using it to become unstuck myself.

I don't think you are spot-on with the idea '04 being without issue or at least minimal. I personally keep away from '03 and '04 because of the cooling issues they had; HOWEVER, if you are going for high-mileage and find one that has had a minimal amount of work AND runs great, go for it? Just make sure whoever had it took care of the cooling system. That's the number 1 killer on our trucks - improper or just lack of upkeep on the truck and the cooling system. Once you have one that is running good, it's fairly easy to keep up with BUT it is definitely a money pit because when it's running, it's a beast and when it's not...well, love/hate.

I'd also stay away from Secondary Air if you can. It's a real knuckle buster when changing your wires or anytime you are working around behind the plume. If you have to get a truck with Secondary Air, I'll expect a email from you saying you should have listened to me, after the fact. <img src="http://landroversonly.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> My favorite years are all Disco's up-to and including 2002 w/o ACE or SAS. I tend to skip 03/04 due to the much documented issues with dropped sleeves on these, but again, with the miles you are looking at, you may be OK there. I like LR3 and LR4 as well and there are a couple people on this list who do a lot of trail riding with those and they perform well too.

Honestly, you should spend some time on the list reading strings once you start to track down the truck you want. Get a idea of the common issues etc. We're here to help when we can on whatever you do get.
Definitely appreciate the opinions here. This is what I need.

Ok. 2003/2004 concerns noted. Again, I feel like so much of what I’ve been told in the past is so subjective. As my buddy always says in jest, “Ahhh. Land Rovers. High class machines made by mostly drunken Englishmen.” Haha. The lore is part of the appeal I think.

Buddy of mine owned a 2012 LR4. He enjoyed it, but did have a number of abnormally consistent suspension issues. Added Johnson rods eventually, but sold it shortly after. Never really got to test the full capabilities. I think the D2 hits the marks for me I terms of aftermarket options - and cost, TBH. Although I'll keep my eyes open just incase a unicorn pops up.

Cooling system makes sense. Seems like I have already read several threads in here on it. Haha. Noted.

And good advice on the Secondary Air Injection. Have never heard that about the LR’s. Makes absolute sense though. Fingers crossed I can heed your advice here and avoid tail-tucked emails in the future. Haha. Do you just look for a control valve to the cylinder heads to spot this or what? Im assuming there’s also probably an air pump jammed in there too?

Appreciate the info here.

And yeah, the TLC required does not escape me. I get it. And at this point in time I’m game. Assuming I can find a mostly stable D2 “foundation” to learn on and grow on, I’m sure I’ll be as happy as I need to be to stay motivated.
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Never had any issues with SAI on any of my D2s (3 out of 4 had SAI) but it is in the way for regular maintenance stuff like plugs and wires.
Engine issues can happen on any model year but I agree 03/04 seem to show going bad quite often. Why can and has been debated to great lengths.
Definitely invest in a reliable method of monitoring cooling system temperature (scan gauge or similar)
Depending on what part of the world you are in and the truck has been in, frame rot can be a killer
Take a good look at the rear section as well as the inboard front-right up against the catalytic converters.
If they look weak, scales of rust walk away.

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The 2004 does have the center locking diff standard. I've found that my 2004 needed the same care as the other years as the good folks in this forum have pointed out. I've about got mine sorted out and drive it to work everyday. Apart from the awesome 13-14 MPG it does pretty well.
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What Mike said. My 2004 arrived with a bad radiator, so first thing, I swapped it out with a new one and replaced the water pump at the same time. I also switched to the 180 degree thermostat, which is an absolute necessity. Haven't had a lick of trouble with it and it purrs like a kitten. I did also invest in a Scangauge - highly recommended. I only have 82,000 miles on mine, so no head gasket swaps yet, but I think if you take good care of it, you might avoid that entirely. The key is to keep it cool. That goes for any year as they all have the same engine and cooling system. 4.0 and 4.6 are the same block with a different crank.

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I can echo these members about "love-hate" aspects of Disco2 ownership. I got my 04 Disco 5 yrs ago with about 85K miles....light use really and in perfect overall cond....with all the records from about 06. Not my first rodeo with a "sensitive" engine. No one has said they can leak....and they do....keep your eye out for front seal leaks. Part of the problem with the engine is that you have to take the whole thing apart to repair things more often than not. So the front seal repair means dropping the oil pan for most part. Watch the water pump....it will eventually go once you are over 100K.

I am in Northeast and especially anal about rust...but frame can be risk if not kept clean. Cooling though is most critical. I wanted one of these for years and love the one I had. Babied it. Still, at 129K.....an overheat blew right head gasket. $3K later it was fine again with a repair by noted Northeast indy shop(you better have one since you can't take these to the stealer-dealers without an equity line to support repairs. I loved it and after that repair intended to keep as long as possible. Put in new master cylinder, brake lines at all 4 corners, water pump and rad.... plus new set of Bridgestones. Oh, expect the front driveshaft to need to be replaced...but that is an easy repair - 8 bolts in about 30 minutes.

Lots of great forums like this one and abundance of good feedback from responsible and caring enthusiasts help make ownership manageable, but not a lot cheaper.

At 153K.....again had same head issue...this time on right bank...1st time on left bank. I was a very careful driver and watched gauges religiously and it still got past me. Block design is such that water jackets on outer part of block do not allow for great cooling capacity and anything from a bad gasket to a weak head bolt giving up can lead to failure. Typically you will see water externally dripping somewhere as a danger signal, but in my cases, all internal so you need to check your dipstick religiously too. With all I put into it, I still couldn't expose myself to more engine anguish....sold needing repair.

I have owned most every marque out there over the last 50 yrs of driving(and no, I am not 50)….did my share of builds, know my way around a drivetrain, and this is the only vehicle I ever had with these kinds of issues. And I had a number of cars that reached 250K plus. I hated to sell it, but if I threw another $2k into it just to keep it I was not necessarily insulating myself from further repair. Just didn't make financial sense anymore. Oh, and yes, the mileage sucks.....if I got 15mpg on any given day it was grounds for celebration.

Still, I loved the ride, terrific greenhouse, overall build design and off road(which I only did a little of)capability. And if the engine goes on you....it is foolish to thing about putting another used one in(I thought about it) since it is somewhat cheaper but who knows what you are getting.....and rebuilt long blocks are around $7500 - short blocks $5500. No good answers there. So be prepared to spend, the more you can do yourself the better.....but like a pretty woman, despite the aggravation and cost, sometimes the ride is worth it.
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I ditched my first Disco (an 03) after a blown head gasket and a subsequent liner slip. I bought a Range Rover Sport Supercharged because on the test drive I got drunk on the power and brakes. Now here I am, still with my RRS S/C but bought myself an 04 Disco which has become a project. Some musings on Land Rover ownership, in no particular order:

  • Land Rovers Leak. If it doesn't, it could be empty.
  • Find a good local indy shop. Don't go to the stealer for a series I/II Disco.
  • Sometimes a slipped liner won't show up until the engine is good and hot. Take a good test drive and go on the highway. Take the owner with you so they can't try and blame you if something goes wrong.
  • The cooling systems on the 03 and 04 seem to be ok, but you will do well to replace the thermostat for the 180 degree one as others have mentioned.
  • If you don't have a record of the water pump being replaced, go ahead and do it yourself. It's not too hard.
  • Completely flushing the Dex and going with green coolant is probably advisable as Dex has been blamed for the head gasket problems. It could be a theory, but it's one I followed in my 04 to be safe.
  • Land Rovers respond really well to maintenance. You must maintain your vehicle. Change the fluid in the diffs, change the tranny fluid, change the oil, etc., etc.
  • The door locking mechanisms will fail. Avoid "superlock" if you're unsure of the status of your mechanisms because you never know when they'll give up.
  • The aftermarket is pretty well served, and the love of Land Rover is pretty deep so you'll be in a good community.
  • Land Rovers are really The Best 4x4xFar. I've passed many jeeps having absolute fits to get through a tricky spot on the trail. They stared at me with disgust and amazement as my Rover calmly climbed.
  • You'll burn a lot of dinosaur bones and it really does need premium fuel to stay happy.
  • Old viscous fans clutches can fail and explode and tear up EVERYTHING. Check my "garage" on here for a link to see how I converted mine to an electric fan setup. If that's more than you want to do, replacing the viscous fan is a good preventative maintenance item about now and should last you another 10+ years.
  • You will probably replace your front driveshaft. Some companies make serviceable replacements, but if you're not going to grease it every 6k miles, don't bother with a serviceable one. A new non-serviceable one will last quite a while too.
  • You will probably need to replace your flex disc. It's not hard, but make sure you know which way the arrows on it are supposed to point or it won't last long.
  • Later Discos have stupid plastic wiper arms on front and back. They deform with time and will lead to scratched windows. The metal Disco 1 wipers fit perfectly and do a great job. Toss the plastic ones and go metal.
  • You won't have skid plates so be careful when offroading. If you're going to do some rocky terrain, look into aftermarket solutions.
  • The steering on these things is vague because of how the system is designed. My high-mileage Disco needed a new steering box to bring it back under control.
  • If you ever have to go through the pain of replacing the plug wires or coils, get yourself a coil relocation kit and save your future self.
  • Get an Ultragauge or something similar to keep tabs on how your Disco is running.
  • You can get some nifty Disco 1 things for a Disco 2 like a center cup holder to go under your climate controls. It's for tiny cups, but still nice to have.
  • You can swap your ashtray and coin holder from side to side. I replaced the ashtray with another coin holder in mine.
  • Discos are pretty darn easy to work on. No reason it shouldn't turn you into a home mechanic. A decent set of tools will get you very far. It seems to me that Disco IIs were the last of the Land Rovers intended to be serviced in the bush.
  • Rear air is a big deal if you live in a warm climate. My 03 did not have it and my passengers suffered, especially the kids in the rear jump seats. The front HVAC just isn't powerful enough for such a big vehicle.
  • If you don't have fog lights up front and want them, don't worry! Land Rover had one wiring harness so everything is there. It's just a matter of plugging in stuff! The blank switch where your fog lights might be - give it a pull. It'll pop out and you'll find the plug for the actual switch there. The plugs for the lights are behind the bumper too. Add a switch, fog lights and bumper covers and away you go.
  • 04s came with the CDL by default. I think the lock was in all the diffs, but just not the shifter. There are instructions online to convert a non-locker to a locker.
  • Sunroof motors go bad. Replacing the front one is fairly straightforward, but the rear one requires dropping the headliner a little.
My Disco currently has multiple slipped liners as improperly installed pins (by the previous owner) have come loose. I love my Disco so much I'm buying a used engine to rebuild and bulletproof. The love of a Land Rover runs deep...
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@discovering... that's a damn good and truthful list. Cheers!
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IMO any new owner should read this first of all(page by page): https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D870012...tDownload=true

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Fery - do not understand. When I download, all I get is advertising to purchase Sugarsynch.
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Fery - do not understand. When I download, all I get is advertising to purchase Sugarsynch.
Strange.... get this then https://www.dropbox.com/sh/47hbz40an...xport.pdf?dl=0

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That worked. Owner's manual.

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