I am in need of air ride help bad =+{

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Decker

Discussion Starter · Mar 10, 2005

i have a 93 RR country LWB and the air ride just stop working. While i was out of town my girl friend took it to LandRover they said that someone wired the cd player to the air ride ecu but i know thats a lie. and tryed to charge her 2500 dollars to fix it. Of corse i did not do that. Most of the air ride parts are atmost two years old and i was wondering if any one knows were all the relays are at and had a diagram of it. other wise i have a great 93 RR for sale
thanks for your time DECKER

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mafpolo

· #2 · Mar 10, 2005

Why don't you convert it to coils & springs

Converted, your air ride problems are over forever. The EAS is an expenisve "habit" to keep repairing. A coil spring ocnversion takes care of all of it. You can choose a firm rie by adding Bilstein shocks or a less firm ride with EMU's

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AdrianL

· #3 · Mar 10, 2005

Second opinion

Converting costs money too and if you want someone to look at it again to determine the right cause, I suggest getting second opinion. I am surprised Land Rover Dealer is telling her that and costs $2500. NOt even replacing the entire air suspension with brand spanking new parts won't cost that much.
EAS is a signature feature for RR but also it is a PITA when not functioning.
It could be simple wiring or compressor issue or just a switch. Make sure you have the override switch "ON" position underneath the passenger seat.
Good luck.

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hamrendan

· #4 · Mar 10, 2005

That dealership is full of criminals!

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CoachDitka

· #5 · Mar 10, 2005

If you decide to keep the EAS, I strongly suggest installing one of the manual bypass systems such as MARS. They will give you a LOT of peace of mind, knowing that you can manually fill each bag individually if you have failures in other parts of the system.

-Coach

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OkieRover

· #6 · Mar 10, 2005

Another dealer with a pension for taking our money.
Do they think we are all just clueless millionaires?

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3sonRover

· #7 · Mar 10, 2005

Do they think we are all just clueless millionaires?[/QUOTE said:
Yes ... AND they work on Commission. I was standing near the service managers office and overhead an interesting conversation...

Jim (Service guy) ... can someone call Mrs. Smith and tell her that the Range Rover service is complete. What else do you have for me?

Tom (Service Mgr) ... Nothing, are you sure everything is OK with Mrs. Smith's Range Rover.

Jim ... Her brakes are at 60% life.

Tom ... Mrs. Smith, good morning this is Tom with ******* Land Rover, your Range Rover needs new Front and Rear brakes. The Fronts are completely worn out and the Back brakes are at only 10%.

I have not been back to the dealer since.

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troverman

· #8 · Mar 10, 2005

Converting to coils is relatively inexpensive (~$400) One time deal. The car always sits correctly, and never have to worry about riding on the bumpstops. You do lose a degree of cushy ride and off-road capability, but not much depending on spring package you choose. On the other hand, explain more about the problem with EAS. It just stopped working entirely? Like it doesn't run the compressor and lift the truck up? Is it one of the main fuses or relays? Or did in fact someone use one of the EAS computer's wires as a power source. Where would the dealer get that from, anyway? Give more info.

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AdrianL

· #9 · Mar 10, 2005

$400?? for converting???

Quote-Converting to coils is relatively inexpensive (~$400) One time deal

Where do you get the service done so cheap?
I found the parts only itself costs about 395/kit plus the labor.
Or are you mean by DIY?
Last time I checked around locally was 700-800 for the part + labor to convert.

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troverman

· #10 · Mar 10, 2005 (Edited)

Yes, Do-it yourself. Unlike the Classic with the front shocks inside the springs, RR's with air suspension can easily have body jacked enough to install new coils w/o a coil compressor. (As they have separate shocks f/r) All you have to do is buy the kit for yes, around $395, remove the airbag springs, put in the new spring mounts, put in the new springs w/car jacked up, lower car, unplug EAS switches / compressor / valve blocks, install EAS computer override adapter, and you're on you merry way.

Any by the way, not all dealers are such jerks. Some actually give good free advice for the home mechanic, and do the minimum that needs to be done to get the Rover roadworthy again. In fact, the when my 4.0 had to be towed because of an alarm / engine lockout condition, (the alarm wouldn't let the engine start because he code the key was transmitting was confusing it!) the dealer brought the car in immediately, let me watch what they were doing if I wished, did it quickly as possible yet worked carefully, offered me to test drive a new LR3, and when they were done they even washed the car and gave the inside a quick vac! This was after the head service manager gave a ton of free advice of what and how to check things, faxed over schematics, etc, they really did everything they could to avoid having to have the car towed 100 miles. Not an advocate of dealers in general, but some treat people right. They also have a policy of only fixing what was requested. They charge $100 / hr for computer & diag work. Since at home I had pretty much got it down to a BeCM confusion issue, and over the phone the svc mgr was pretty sure this was it too since so much had been ruled out, they did the F-out procedure and no diagnostics! This fixed the prob and saved me money. If they discovery something else that needs fixing, they must get the owner to sign off on that repair before they do it.
All in all, a good dealer experience this time. But I can tell you about a particular awful Ford dealer we dealt with...

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AdrianL

· #11 · Mar 10, 2005

Thanks Troverman

See, I have Classic. THat's why it was more expensive to convert than the P38s.
I did also have some interesting experience with the dealer. I went over with the part number of parts I needed and they were out of stock. It was a interior trim piece and was asking about the interior color. I told them it is Sorrell Brown NOT the tan. But they were still convincing me that it is the Tan, so I told them to order one.
Sure enough when I got the part, it was a wrong color and instead of apologizing and reordering, they told me somehow down the road, my PO changed the interior color and it was not their responsibility I got the wrong color and tried charging me 25% restocking fee for the incorrect part they ordered wrong.
I spoke to the parts manager and did not get charged for the restocking fee but that made me stop going to the dealer and start ordering parts thru AB or Rovers North.

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Geoffrey F Miller

· #12 · Mar 10, 2005

There are some diagrams and other info about EAS on my website www.goffy.com which might be helpful

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azpaquin

· #13 · Mar 26, 2005

Call LRNA and report them.

3sonRover said:
Do they think we are all just clueless millionaires?[/QUOTE said:

Yes ... AND they work on Commission. I was standing near the service managers office and overhead an interesting conversation...

Jim (Service guy) ... can someone call Mrs. Smith and tell her that the Range Rover service is complete. What else do you have for me?

Tom (Service Mgr) ... Nothing, are you sure everything is OK with Mrs. Smith's Range Rover.

Jim ... Her brakes are at 60% life.

Tom ... Mrs. Smith, good morning this is Tom with ******* Land Rover, your Range Rover needs new Front and Rear brakes. The Fronts are completely worn out and the Back brakes are at only 10%.

I have not been back to the dealer since.

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they actually will follow up with these things. Ford can't afford to let this go on with Rover.

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