HAHA HEY GUYS, I M IN THE MARKET FOR A WINCH, NOW THATS NOT THE QUESTION I HAVE TO FIND A BUMPER/BULLBAR/AFRAME, TO ACCOMODATE THE WINCH BUT FOR OBIVIOUS REASONS I DONT WANNA TO LOSE ANY OF MY APPROACH ANGLE, I REALIZE THAT I WILL HAVE TO LOSE SOME BUT IF THERE IS ONE THAT SOMEONE MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THAT WILL MINIMIZE THIS PROBLEM POST UP!!! THANKS GUYS AND GALS :buttrock: