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Hey guys, My 05 LR3 4.4 V8 SE keeps pulling to the right.... I have gotten an alignment done (at a local shop- not the dealership) and I also noticed my drivers side front tire was bald on the inside, but fine on the outside.. I am on a budget so I bought one new tire and got it replaced... however its still pulling to the right.. I just noticed today that my power steering fluid is right below the min. line... could that be causing my steering to be thrown off? Help please! =) Thanks

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no, the shop screwed up, they probably didnt let the car settle right or didnt tighten the bolts back down.

bring it back to them to get the alignment redone or bring it to the dealer to get it done right and make the shop pay for the tire.

if the tires were new when installed or semi worn and then went bald then they screwed the alignment up.

see a manager at the shop to try and get the dealer to do the alignment since they screwed up on Vehicle.
 

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Was your vehicle placed in "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode for the alignment? This TSB could attribute to your issue (if the shop did indeed calibrate to the standard specs). There are different target tow specs for vehicles that have experienced bushing settlement.

TSB - LA204-008

Uneven tire wear.
The steering alignment geometry of certain vehicles may experience some bushing settlement during early vehicle life. Following initial production geometry setting, this settling may alter the geometry settings outside of normal tolerance,
which may in turn increase tire wear.

Vin range: 5A300259-6A403382

Revised geometry settings introduced after 6A403382 compensate for this situation.
NOTE: This situation is not experienced on all vehicles. Toe sensitivity may be attributed to other factors.

CAUTION: Retailers who sublet alignment to outside shops must provide the information in this bulletin to the alignment facility to ensure proper settings when uneven tire wear symptoms are being addressed. Additionally all vehicles equipped with EAS sent for sublet alignment MUST have been placed in the "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode prior to delivery using IDS.

Action: Should a customer express a specific concern of uneven tire wear, refer to the Repair Procedure detailed in this bulletin to adjust the vehicle geometry to the "target" settings noted below. NOTE: In other situations requiring geometry adjustment, where a specific concern of uneven tire wear is not expressed or diagnosed, the geometry dimensions in the workshop manual should be used. A specific set of "target" geometry data is provided in this bulletin for use in vehicles where the geometry needs to be adjusted to correct an uneven tire wear concern.

PARTS:
No parts required

WARRANTY:
NOTE: Repair procedures are under constant review, and therefore times are subject to change; those quoted here must be taken as guidance only. Always refer to DDW to obtain the latest repair time.

NOTE: The revision to the time in this bulletin is the result of the introduction of the new IDS "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode for suspension adjustments. This simple IDS process replaces and eliminates the requirement to perform a suspension calibration (1.1 hrs) in association with the alignment process. Refer to Technical Bulletin LA204-007 for additional information about the geometry setting mode. DDW requires the use of causal part numbers.
Labor only claims must show the causal part number with a quantity of zero.
Description SRO Time
(Hours)
Condition
Code Causal Part
Place vehicle in "tight tolerance"
mode using IDS and align suspension
geometry
57.65.04 1.80 W6 ALGN4W

Normal warranty policy and procedures apply.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
ALIGN SUSPENSION GEOMETRY

1. If the vehicle has Electronic Air Suspension (EAS), refer to Technical Bulletin LA204-007, connect IDS to the vehicle and place the Electronic Air Suspension (EAS), into "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode.

NOTE: A small number of coil sprung vehicles were imported into North America at the very start of LR3 importation. Step 2 is included in the event that such a vehicle requires suspension alignment.

2. If the vehicle has coil spring suspension, perform the following steps to ensure that the equivalent of a full tank of gasoline weight is present in the vehicle when the alignment process is performed:
NOTE: LR3 fuel tank capacity is 22.7 US gallons (86.3 litres). A full LR3 fuel tank weighs approximately 152 lbs (69 kg).
• Accurately determine the volume of fuel in the tank.
• If the tank is not full, calculate the weight of the fuel in the tank using one of the following formulas:
o Multiply the number of US gallons of fuel by 6.7 to equal total pounds of fuel.
o Multiply the number of liters of fuel by 0.8 to equal total kg of fuel.
NOTE: Any weight equivalent placed into the load space area must be evenly distributed at the front and the right hand side of the load space.
• Calculate the weight equivalent that must be added to the load space area by subtracting the total amount of fuel currently in the tank from the LR3 fuel tank capacity of 152 lbs. (69 kg).
NOTE: Vehicles that have any of the front or rear, upper or lower control arm bushings changed must complete a ten mile road test before having the geometry checked and adjusted if necessary.
The road test will allow the suspension to settle.

NOTE: GTR lookup sequence is as follows:
GTR Home > NAS > Service Information/ LA – LR3 > Workshop Manuals > Bookmark "Chassis/Suspension/204-00: Suspension System – General Information" Link "Four-Wheel Alignment (57.65.04)"

CAUTION: GTR identifies an alignment specification range.
The exact "TARGET SPECIFICATIONS" in the table below should be used on vehicles that have experienced uneven tire wear.
When setting suspension geometry after front or rear/upper or lower control arm bushing replacement, the rear toe should be set to the TARGET SPECIFICATION in the table.

3. Refer to GTR section 204-00 Four-Wheel Alignment operation 57.65.04 and adjust the front and rear wheel alignment to the "TARGET" specification figures noted in the table below:
TOE ADJUSTMENT
TARGET
SPECIFICATIONS
(decimal degrees)
Front total toe + 0.03
Left-hand rear toe + 0.18
Right-hand rear toe + 0.18
Rear total toe + 0.36
 

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Thanks for the info guys! All really helpful... Ill just take it in to the dealership to get it aligned and checked out/oil change/etc... its only 100+ miles away.. =\

by the time i get back home, it will be due for another oil change.. :D
 

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WOW!!! Just spoke with a dealer service tech and the alignment is $220.00!! WTF?? lol

and an oil change $130.00?? (without synthetic oil)


My Audi is $60.00 oil changes and $100.00 alignments (AWD TOO)

ahhh well.. the price you pay to own an amazing machine.. :bawling:
 

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Oil change is easy to do yourself :)
 

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welcome to california where everything is expensive.

dealer price is probably 150 an hour for anything.

get the shop that did the alignment to pay for it.
 

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Wow, your dealer is really ripping you off. LRMV is only about 60 for oil change and 120 for alignment. Find another dealer or get to be good friends with the service writer.

Once you get alignment right, you won't have to do it very often, contrary to some posts. Sometimes alignment is a matter of the bias of the tires, and sometimes after a rotation, a tire will pull slightly. Be sure that if you do a rotation, just go front rear, not crossways, as most offroad tires take a "set".
 

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Wow, your dealer is really ripping you off. LRMV is only about 60 for oil change and 120 for alignment. Find another dealer or get to be good friends with the service writer.

Once you get alignment right, you won't have to do it very often, contrary to some posts. Sometimes alignment is a matter of the bias of the tires, and sometimes after a rotation, a tire will pull slightly. Be sure that if you do a rotation, just go front rear, not crossways, as most offroad tires take a "set".

My dealer charges the same and I go to the Largest LR dealer in the US (Land Rover Palm Beach). They're definitely ripping you off.
 

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no, the shop screwed up, they probably didnt let the car settle right or didnt tighten the bolts back down.

bring it back to them to get the alignment redone or bring it to the dealer to get it done right and make the shop pay for the tire.

if the tires were new when installed or semi worn and then went bald then they screwed the alignment up.

see a manager at the shop to try and get the dealer to do the alignment since they screwed up on Vehicle.
Ok so mine is the same. Land Rover 2005 lr3. It was pulling to the right a tiny bit before and was able to be controlled. I took it to the mechanic because there was something scraping on the right side and making like a squeaking sound. It turned out the mechanic said it was the control arms and the sway bar link. Those are now fixed, but it keeps pulling to the right. Now worse than before and he says air lifting shock.
 
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